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Tre Morgan not only hit the cycle in order

Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted by TigerTee
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:06 pm
He did it in 6 full innings. I doubt that has ever been done before.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:25 pm to
I’d be willing to bet it’s been done before in 2 innings.

There’s been a lot of baseball games played in this country. Someone somewhere has done better than 6 innings. I guarantee it.

Fastest in MLB was 4 innings by Mike Lansing

Jim Hickman in 1963 had the natural cycle in 6. So did Gary Mathews in 2006. That’s just the MLB.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 8:45 pm
Posted by bradygolf98
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:31 pm to
OP says “in order”. Lansing did not hit for the cycle in order in 4 innings.
Posted by WaterLink
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

I’d be willing to bet it’s been done before in 2 innings.

There’s been a lot of baseball games played in this country. Someone somewhere has done better than 6 innings. I guarantee it.


Well it's only been done 14 times in MLB history. If we expand that to NCAA, the amount of teams and disparity between talent that can happen I'm sure it has offered opportunities to have happened before but that's a tall order. Generally when teams are outmatched you get guys that just tee off all the time. I remember a game against Tulane where Schimpf and Dean went back to back homers twice in the same inning where we run ruled them. A natural cycle is just so hard to accomplish in itself let alone in 6 innings that I wouldn't be surprised.

Is a natural cycle considered broken if you get out or walk in between one of the hits or is it only considered a natural cycle if it's in 4 consecutive at bats?
Posted by 1947LSUFreshman
SE of Raleigh
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:33 pm to
Quantify that bet a bit more, dude.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

There’s been a lot of baseball games played in this country. Someone somewhere has done better than 6 innings. I guarantee it.
quote:

I’d be willing to bet it’s been done before in 2 innings.


4 at bats in 2 innings is still a lot.

Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:49 pm to
I didn’t say what I said as a shot at the OP or at Morgan.
I love baseball stats. There’s been probably close to half a million games played in the history of the sport between mlb and college.
There’s a lot more crazy stats in college than the mlb b/c of the disparity in talent, which is why I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s happened in something crazy like 2-3 innings.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:27 pm to
I saw a good infographic on eatery of various things in the MLB. It was pretty cool

Immaculate innings are wildly rare.
Posted by Mike Honcho
North Dallas
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

Well it's only been done 14 times in MLB history. If we expand that to NCAA, the amount of teams and disparity between talent that can happen I'm sure it has offered opportunities to have happened before but that's a tall order. Generally when teams are outmatched you get guys that just tee off all the time. I remember a game against Tulane where Schimpf and Dean went back to back homers twice in the same inning where we run ruled them. A natural cycle is just so hard to accomplish in itself let alone in 6 innings that I wouldn't be surprised.


It’s not just talent disparity, if they were playing a little league team they would just crush triples and homers all day. You have to also hit a single and a double. The triple is also one if the hardest hit type because it requires you to hit to the perfect spot and for the defender to not be too fast not mess up so much that he turns it into a fielding error. If he does then you might only be awarded a double and your cycle is screwed.

Hitting a natural cycle involves an incredible amount of luck.

Also I have heard people call it ‘cycle in order’ but I’ve always called it a ‘natural cycle’. Is there a difference?
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

The triple is also one if the hardest hit type because it requires you to hit to the perfect spot and for the defender to not be too fast not mess up so much that he turns it into a fielding error.


I mean that's what I was referring to when I said it was a tall order and that generally teams just tee off and get homers against an outmatched pitcher and field. Like I alluded to with Schimpf and Dean got back to back twice in an inning. Triples are rare enough let alone to supplement them with a single double and homer. You basically just said the same thing I did, just maybe a little more eloquently

I think maybe the final "I wouldn't be surprised" is being interpreted as I wouldn't be surprised if it had been done in 2 innings based on the post I quoted but really I meant I wouldn't be surprised if it hadn't been done in 6 innings before. Guess it was a poorly worded post by me?
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 10:40 pm
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:36 pm to
DP
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 10:37 pm
Posted by BhamTigah
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:07 am to
In my very limited baseball career, I was more likely to go for the out cycle: strike out, ground out, pop out, fly out, line out, thrown out, tagged out, called out, knocked out...
Posted by Fightin Okra
Member since Nov 2016
5940 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:17 am to
One of the craziest baseball hitting feats is the guy who hit 2 grand slams in the same inning
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:24 am to
quote:

I’d be willing to bet it’s been done before in 2 innings. There’s been a lot of baseball games played in this country.
I played in a game once where the same player made all 3 outs in one inning.

I’m not talking about a defensive player, I’m talking about a batter.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
29341 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:35 am to
quote:

He did it in 6 full innings

That's really hard to do. 4 ABs in 6 innings is rare
Posted by willeaux
Member since Jan 2006
2954 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:35 am to
Wow
Posted by cajunsax62
Member since Nov 2006
909 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:10 am to
quote:

I played in a game once where the same player made all 3 outs in one inning.


In that 18 run inning against Georgia Tech in '96, Warren Morris tried to do the same, LOL, made 2 of the 3 outs in that inning.

There were 8 doubles hit, and 17 consecutive batters reached base in that inning. Crazy.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:15 am to
I feel like the “in order” part is a little overblown. Getting 4 hits in a game much less hitting for the cycle is a hell of an accomplishment. The order is more luck than anything. The 4 hits is the skill part.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46860 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:22 am to
quote:

There’s a lot more crazy stats in college than the mlb b/c of the disparity in talent, which is why I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s happened in something crazy like 2-3 innings.

I don’t know about 2 innings; that’s probably not happened. But less than six? I’d bet every dollar I have on that. As you’ve pointed out, there have been way too many games with disparate talent.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46860 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:44 am to
quote:

I feel like the “in order” part is a little overblown. Getting 4 hits in a game much less hitting for the cycle is a hell of an accomplishment. The order is more luck than anything. The 4 hits is the skill part.

This is true. Given that a player will hit for the cycle, the chances of hitting them in “natural” order can be calculated by multiplying three numbers:
1. The chances the first will be a single is 1 of 4
2. The chances the second will be a double are 1 of 3.
3. The chances the third will be a triple are 1 of 2.
4. The chances the last will be a HR are 100% and can be neglected.

1/4 * 1/3 * 1/2 = 1/24

There have been 339 “cycles” in mlb. If you divide 339 by 24 you get 14.125. I think I read on here that there have been 14 natural cycles in mlb, so just what you would expect.

The odds discussed above neglect the possibility of 5 ABs with a walk, hbp or out happening in ABs 2, 3, or 4.

It should be just as rare that the player hits them in the order: 2b, 1b, HR, 3b.
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