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re: Tre Morgan got the wrong sign and ran the wrong coverage on the bunt out at home
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:10 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:10 am to Chad504boy
Good thing he had them practice that play so much though.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:13 am to Metaloctopus
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he did was the only play that made sense. In the 8th inning of a scoreless game, facing elimination, how do you ask your first baseman to stay back?
Because the coach had Skenes covering the first baseline. You don't normally have two people cover the same spot at the same time and then leave another area near first uncovered.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:20 am to Pintail
Kind of like this guy?
LSU was expecting big things from Morris in 1996, but a broken hamate bone kept him out of the lineup for 42 games that season. He did rejoin the team in time for the 1996 postseason, which would include the College World Series. However, the wrist injury still lingered. He could not hit for power, and was placed at the bottom of the lineup.
LSU reached the championship game of the College World Series in 1996, and was trailing Miami 8–7 in the game with two outs in the bottom of the ninth inning. Morris came up to the plate with one runner on base, and hit Miami relief pitcher Robbie Morrison's first pitch just inches over the right field fence. The walk-off home run won the game for the Tigers 9–8. It was his only home run of the season, and is the only walk-off championship-winning home run in College World Series history. In addition, it is the only 2-out, ninth inning, walk-off home run in a championship of any collegiate or professional level.
LSU was expecting big things from Morris in 1996, but a broken hamate bone kept him out of the lineup for 42 games that season. He did rejoin the team in time for the 1996 postseason, which would include the College World Series. However, the wrist injury still lingered. He could not hit for power, and was placed at the bottom of the lineup.
LSU reached the championship game of the College World Series in 1996, and was trailing Miami 8–7 in the game with two outs in the bottom of the ninth inning. Morris came up to the plate with one runner on base, and hit Miami relief pitcher Robbie Morrison's first pitch just inches over the right field fence. The walk-off home run won the game for the Tigers 9–8. It was his only home run of the season, and is the only walk-off championship-winning home run in College World Series history. In addition, it is the only 2-out, ninth inning, walk-off home run in a championship of any collegiate or professional level.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:10 pm to Pintail
I did that in the state championship game. Having a bad day at DH and I had a bunt call with the first pitch a ball. Tookie does his sign and I wasn't really paying attention but it finished with that damn swing away motion. Got a single up the middle and found out a couple days later from a teammate that I was still supposed to bunt. We would have won anyway but I would have hated to go without a hit that game.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:29 pm to Pintail
I love the stories that keep coming from this magical run. Great play by Tre!
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:41 pm to HondaBigRed
The coaches didn’t screw up.
Skenes was there to field the bunt but yes he would have been safe at home. In reality it was good execution by the bunter.
Yes we were fortunate Tre ran the wrong play and had the athleticism to pull it off.
Skenes was there to field the bunt but yes he would have been safe at home. In reality it was good execution by the bunter.
Yes we were fortunate Tre ran the wrong play and had the athleticism to pull it off.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:01 pm to Theodore Links Watch
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my point to you is that this isn’t an actual play. It is a baseball rule that you never want to have a pitcher covering a bag in which a tag may have to be applied. They tend to struggle with that since they rarely run into that situation. That’s why I see your posts and realize that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about right now
It is an actual play, because it happens plenty of times. When you have a situation where you have to cut down the runner at the plate in the late innings, everyone has to be ready to move around, and that includes the pitcher covering third. In no way is it a threat for the runner to go all the way from first to third, when the pitcher can easily cover third. And as for your made up point about pitchers struggling to tag runners, the pitcher would be standing there just waiting for the runner to walk right into the tag, because it wouldn't be close. The only time you ever see a runner go from first to third on a bunt, or even just a regular ground ball that never leaves the infield, is when everyone falls asleep and isn't paying attention.
No one is going to fall asleep when they've been told ahead of time what their assignment is on the play. And given the fact that you are the same person that argued that only the third basemen would crash in this situation, because it would leave a base unoccupied, when it is clear that you MUST cut down the run at the plate, you have zero room to question my level of baseball knowledge. You seem to know a lot that isn't true. And that's not my problem, friend.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:28 pm to shutterspeed
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Luck is a major component in most national championship runs
Luck = The Baseball Gods
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:40 pm to Pintail
When you say fk it I’ll just do what i do ,,, save LSU’s season
Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:04 pm to Metaloctopus
Plenty to unpack here, so I'll go point by point
To sum up where I think our miscommunication is coming from, you seem to think two things:
1.) That coaches call plays where pitchers cover bags. This is not true no matter how much you want to argue that it's possible from your comfy seat on the couch 2.) You seem to believe that calling a bunt coverage that results in allowing the opponent to score with a perfect bunt is some kind of coaching error or mistake. I just flatly disagree. Again cutting down the runner is nice, but a perfect bunt down the 1b line with the pitcher covering is the one play that beats you. Just like when Tre took off from 3rd and got thrown out at home during the first Wake Forest game, sometimes you call something where the perfect play beats you. That's ok. It's part of the sport, and that's why winning championships is so tough. That's why you need the luck that LSU received here
quote:Once again, my point is that no bunt coverage exists where a pitcher is covering a bag. Therefore, whatever Jay called would not have resulted in the pitcher doing anything but fielding the ball. There are circumstances where the pitcher is backing up bags or covering first on a FORCE out, but you will never see a called play where the pitcher is covering a bag.
It is an actual play, because it happens plenty of times. When you have a situation where you have to cut down the runner at the plate in the late innings, everyone has to be ready to move around, and that includes the pitcher covering third
quote:The other time you see this is when you crash both first and third. Since the pitcher will never be covering a bag, your two middle infielders will be covering three bags. Math is tough.
The only time you ever see a runner go from first to third on a bunt, or even just a regular ground ball that never leaves the infield, is when everyone falls asleep and isn't paying attention.
quote:This simply isn't a MUST as you describe. It's nice to not allow the run to score, but sometimes a perfect bunt beats you. That would've been the case in this scenario had Tre thankfully not misread the sign.
it is clear that you MUST cut down the run at the plate, you have zero room to question my level of baseball knowledge.
To sum up where I think our miscommunication is coming from, you seem to think two things:
1.) That coaches call plays where pitchers cover bags. This is not true no matter how much you want to argue that it's possible from your comfy seat on the couch 2.) You seem to believe that calling a bunt coverage that results in allowing the opponent to score with a perfect bunt is some kind of coaching error or mistake. I just flatly disagree. Again cutting down the runner is nice, but a perfect bunt down the 1b line with the pitcher covering is the one play that beats you. Just like when Tre took off from 3rd and got thrown out at home during the first Wake Forest game, sometimes you call something where the perfect play beats you. That's ok. It's part of the sport, and that's why winning championships is so tough. That's why you need the luck that LSU received here
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:04 pm to Pintail
Great athlete made a play. If you make a mistake , do it full speed and with determination. Good things will likely happen.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:13 pm to Pintail
This team continues to amaze me, even after the season is over. One of the all time great plays in LSU baseball history wasn't even planned that way? It truly was meant to be.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:13 pm to Pintail
Thanks for sharing this
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:02 am to TexasTiger33
the slump for LSU came at the best possible time; against lower tier SEC opponents and before the playoffs when it really mattered.
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