- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Time to eat some crow for our loss(long) from a Duck
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:48 am to DucksflyinPAC
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:48 am to DucksflyinPAC
Good post and best of luck to the Ducks the rest of the way.
As the issue of "gifting" turnovers has already been discussed, I will point out something slightly different:
If Oregon is able to stay roughly even in turnover margin (either by better ball security or recovering some of the fumbles because LSU actually fumbled 3X), what you probably see is a very close game. Oregon fans can certainly believe that they would have had an excellent chance to win a squeaker as they would not have had to abandon the run and were better in the passing game. We Tiger fans certainly have every right to believe that our D, special teams, and running game still would have prevailed. LSU has arguably not been so good lately at separating the score, but it is something I really hope to see the Tigers do well this year. Spurts of superiority are what usually allow for relatively easy wins against good teams, but when you blow chances to separate the score, it can really come back to haunt you.
As the issue of "gifting" turnovers has already been discussed, I will point out something slightly different:
If Oregon is able to stay roughly even in turnover margin (either by better ball security or recovering some of the fumbles because LSU actually fumbled 3X), what you probably see is a very close game. Oregon fans can certainly believe that they would have had an excellent chance to win a squeaker as they would not have had to abandon the run and were better in the passing game. We Tiger fans certainly have every right to believe that our D, special teams, and running game still would have prevailed. LSU has arguably not been so good lately at separating the score, but it is something I really hope to see the Tigers do well this year. Spurts of superiority are what usually allow for relatively easy wins against good teams, but when you blow chances to separate the score, it can really come back to haunt you.
0
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:50 am to DucksflyinPAC
Several Oregon fans have written how the turnovers were their undoing. (Forced or not).
The fact is, it was not the turnovers that were Oregon's undoing, it was the inability to stop LSU from scoring touchdowns afterwards that was. No one mentions LSU's turnover (which was certainly not forced by Oregon). The difference was that even though it occurred deep in LSU territory, LSU held Oregon to a field goal. THAT was the difference.
The fact is, it was not the turnovers that were Oregon's undoing, it was the inability to stop LSU from scoring touchdowns afterwards that was. No one mentions LSU's turnover (which was certainly not forced by Oregon). The difference was that even though it occurred deep in LSU territory, LSU held Oregon to a field goal. THAT was the difference.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:50 am to DucksflyinPAC
quote:
I like to study my enemies well.
Like a previous poster said, You are now not the enemy. Best wished for the rest of the season. Now go out and show the rest of the country that we beat a great team!
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:54 am to DucksflyinPAC
quote:i hope you stick around throughout the season.
DucksflyinPAC
one of the things i found fascinating in the game was oregano's body language. you could tell in the first quarter, they thought of themselves as superior. even in the second when they scored, they felt they would light it up in the second half. the third quarter was where you could see utter frustration. on the other hand, lsu's offense remained cool and composed.
i was not impressed with derron thomas at all. i'm sure he's a good runner but, not a good passer. deanthony thomas, meh. he's a decent playmaker. smaller, slower, less elusive version of russell sheppard. lmj is good, but i wouldn't say he's as good as noel devine (from florida, recruited by sec schools). devine is as fast and definitely tougher.
the play when mingo ran down lmj was impressive. the play when taylor ran him down was just unbelievable. on the tv broadcast, the reply was from behind the oreg l.o.s. so you could see taylor close on him. and lmj was definitely up to speed.
boyett is a player. that guy was in on a ton of plays. also, oreg's pass coverage was quite good. the db's had tight coverage on almost every play.
here's something to keep in mind, bama's defense is equal to lsu. ms state and florida are probably a notch below. ark is supposed to have an improved d this year too. now imagine oreg's offense facing those defenses every week.
one last point, every year lsu is doubted. we hear how the next opponent is better coached, miles is lucky, etc.
'05 miami
'06 notre dame
'07 va tech
'07 ohio st
'08 ga tech
'11 oregano
urban meyer, nick saban, steve spurrier, on and on. i guess it will never end.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 8:59 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:01 am to DucksflyinPAC
Good luck to the Ducks for the rest of the year. Aren't you the one that had the incredible avatar? The duck cheerleaders were so fricking hot!
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:06 am to trex1230
quote:
The duck cheerleaders were so fricking hot!
The Ducks band was awesome!!
This post was edited on 9/8/11 at 9:07 am
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:07 am to HubbaBubba
That was one of the longest, worst crow eating post in TD history.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:08 am to CROWN N COKE
quote:
Now, to the point we make about the SEC VS the PAC 12. In our conference, you'd play 4 or 5 more games like this. Your backs were already slowed by injury. Your freshman phenom can't be relied upon to hold the ball. Your team suffered cramps all night. With depth issues like this, you'd be out of the conference race by week 5 and wondering about next year.
These were all points we tried to make to you and your other fans before this game was played.
See what we mean???
Reminds me of all the Oregon fans who bitched and moaned a few years back when Dennis Dixon got hurt--about how the Ducks were truly the best team in the nation--they just had bad luck.
Uhhhh news flash--injuries are part of the game--and it's usually the slower, weaker, less conditioned athletes that get injured.
Does anyone here remember when Matt Flynn got hurt and Ryan Perilloux started the SEC Championship game? LSU won that game and went on to win the NC.
That's the sign of truly talented teams--they've got studs two and three deep at every position.
Crying about turnovers and injuries--are you kidding me? It's called REAL FOOTBALL!
But I guess a fan of a PAC whatever team wouldn't know anything about that since they play video game football where players never get hurt, turnovers ARE THE RESULT OF BAD LUCK, NOT GREAT DEFENSE, and running backs have all day to dance around in the backfield waiting for holes to open up.
Boy yall are delusional and even after feeling the pain that one great SEC defense can bring, you still pretend not to get it.
Well I'll spell it out for you--
Y O U R . T E A M. W A S. A N. I N F E R I O R. O P P O N E N T
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:10 am to DucksflyinPAC
quote:
I am not going to make any excuses to losing,
Sorry friend, all you did was make excuses. I'm not trying to beat up on you, but your team was soundly beaten by another team that was much better prepared. Now there are a lot of reasons that happened, but please don't try pass off excuses about injuries, mistakes, fumbles, suspensions, etc. LSU was the better team and like you said the scoreboard reflected that reality. Thanks for coming to our board.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:12 am to DucksflyinPAC
While this response is not directly to the OP, it is directed at the gist of his and many Oregon Fans posts I have read here and other boards since the game.
I am afraid our friends from the Great Northwest have a fundamental problem with simple math.
While true Oregon did have 4 turnovers and LSU scored 20 points off those turnovers, what is also true is that LSU committed a turnover and Oregon scored off of it. It was a turnover in the redzone btw.
So even you accept the BS excuse of "gifting" us points. The actual math is 4 turnover v 1 for a turnover margin of 3 and a points differential of 17 (20-3) and not 20.
Further the claim made time and time again was that the turnovers were "near the endzone" again a math problem on at least one of the fumbles. On the fumble on the kickoff LSU recovered at the 41, a short field for certain, but not even FG range.
The question I have for duck fans is where was the D? LSU turned the ball over and held Oregon to FG. LSU forced a fumble on the punt and scored on the turnover, cant blame the Ore D for that one. However on the 2nd fumble LSU gashed the Ore D with 5 straight runs from the 21 and scored a TD.
Where was the D?
On the 2nd fumble recovered by LSU at the 41. Lee completed his longest pass of the night to Peterson to put LSU in FG range and again we gashed the Ore D to punch it in.
Where was the D?
Duck fans can rightly say that turnovers hurt them, they hurt nearly every time but what they can't say is "gift". On 2 of the 3 fumbles their D had a chance to make a stop (like LSU's did when faced with a short field) and did not. Especially on the ball recovered at the 41, yes a short field but a "gift" of points? Does the Duck D just lay down EVERY time the O or ST loses the ball and just allow TD's? Is there ZERO responsibility or confidence in the Duck D to get a stop?
FInally what I call the last refuge of the truly desperate, the well we had "more yards on O" than you. It's true in a sense but totally misleading.
Oregon got about 40% of their yards on O in the final 2 drives of the game after the score was 33-13, the outcome of the game was no longer in doubt and LSU's opponent was the clock not the Ducks and the D played that way. LB's and DB's no longer blitzed, DB's played more zone and played a "keep the ball in front of you D" rather than an attacking D that LSU played for the first 3 quarters.
70 of the 335 Duck total yards in the final 3 minutes in garbage time and scored with 15 seconds left. Do Duck fans honestly take solace in the fact that they scored a totally meaningless TD on a 70 yard drive to cut the lead to 13 in the final seconds?
REALLY?
Finally after the score was 33-13, Oregon got the ball and scored a TD on a 68 yard drive. So again, a little more than 40% of total Duck yards on O were in the final 2 drives when the game's outcome was no longer in doubt. The math on that btw (70+68) 138. Total Duck yards 335.
I get looking for the good things about one's team in wins and losses and pointing out the mistakes as well. Every fan it seems puts a biased eye shade on and can read stats in a way that can produce the best possible light, but kinda reminds me of the phrase lies, damn lies and statistics.
I am afraid our friends from the Great Northwest have a fundamental problem with simple math.
While true Oregon did have 4 turnovers and LSU scored 20 points off those turnovers, what is also true is that LSU committed a turnover and Oregon scored off of it. It was a turnover in the redzone btw.
So even you accept the BS excuse of "gifting" us points. The actual math is 4 turnover v 1 for a turnover margin of 3 and a points differential of 17 (20-3) and not 20.
Further the claim made time and time again was that the turnovers were "near the endzone" again a math problem on at least one of the fumbles. On the fumble on the kickoff LSU recovered at the 41, a short field for certain, but not even FG range.
The question I have for duck fans is where was the D? LSU turned the ball over and held Oregon to FG. LSU forced a fumble on the punt and scored on the turnover, cant blame the Ore D for that one. However on the 2nd fumble LSU gashed the Ore D with 5 straight runs from the 21 and scored a TD.
Where was the D?
On the 2nd fumble recovered by LSU at the 41. Lee completed his longest pass of the night to Peterson to put LSU in FG range and again we gashed the Ore D to punch it in.
Where was the D?
Duck fans can rightly say that turnovers hurt them, they hurt nearly every time but what they can't say is "gift". On 2 of the 3 fumbles their D had a chance to make a stop (like LSU's did when faced with a short field) and did not. Especially on the ball recovered at the 41, yes a short field but a "gift" of points? Does the Duck D just lay down EVERY time the O or ST loses the ball and just allow TD's? Is there ZERO responsibility or confidence in the Duck D to get a stop?
FInally what I call the last refuge of the truly desperate, the well we had "more yards on O" than you. It's true in a sense but totally misleading.
Oregon got about 40% of their yards on O in the final 2 drives of the game after the score was 33-13, the outcome of the game was no longer in doubt and LSU's opponent was the clock not the Ducks and the D played that way. LB's and DB's no longer blitzed, DB's played more zone and played a "keep the ball in front of you D" rather than an attacking D that LSU played for the first 3 quarters.
70 of the 335 Duck total yards in the final 3 minutes in garbage time and scored with 15 seconds left. Do Duck fans honestly take solace in the fact that they scored a totally meaningless TD on a 70 yard drive to cut the lead to 13 in the final seconds?
REALLY?
Finally after the score was 33-13, Oregon got the ball and scored a TD on a 68 yard drive. So again, a little more than 40% of total Duck yards on O were in the final 2 drives when the game's outcome was no longer in doubt. The math on that btw (70+68) 138. Total Duck yards 335.
I get looking for the good things about one's team in wins and losses and pointing out the mistakes as well. Every fan it seems puts a biased eye shade on and can read stats in a way that can produce the best possible light, but kinda reminds me of the phrase lies, damn lies and statistics.
This post was edited on 9/8/11 at 9:13 am
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:16 am to BigEdLSU
Only duck that has the balls to be a good sport. Good luck with the rest of your season! 
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:16 am to DucksflyinPAC
quote:
I am not going to make any excuses to losing
um, thats a lie
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:16 am to DucksflyinPAC
Sorry dude but I'm cringing here.
Now that that's out of the way, and good luck the rest of the season!
quote:Would've sounds like would of but it's actually would have. It's easy to see how you can make this mistake but it's a contraction. A contraction is where two words are joined, but an apostrophe replaces certain letters. In would have, the letters h and a are replaced by the apostrophe, hence would've. There's no of.
you would of not beaten us...
better then I could of imagined...
as he would of had guys...
probably would not of played a snap...
how it would of turned out...
quote:Should be "our WR's suck donkey." Our and are sound similar but they're completely different words! Go figure.
Bottom line, are WR's suck donkey.
quote:Um, no excuse. Should be "may have won" Perhaps you're too used to writing "would of" and think of is the same as have.
I happened to of seen...
We may of won, we may not of won.
quote:Should be "critical of our offense. Again with the of?
so critical for our Offense
Now that that's out of the way,
and good luck the rest of the season! 
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:17 am to DucksflyinPAC
I love you punk arse oregon fans coming on here under that guise of eating crow. you explicitly state that you are not "making excuses" then spend 5 of your 8 paragraphs listing all of the excuses like LMJ and Barner were injured the whole time, we gave you 21 points,missing cliff Harris, and a linebacker who would not sniff the field at LSU... Thomas was nervous...etc...
I could list 1000 reasons and excuses why LSU should have beaten your arse by 45 points, but instead we only won by 13 and you are luck you scored in garbage time against 3rd stringers in a prevent defense to make it look better than it was.
I wish nothing but more losses for you and your fellow duck fans. learn how to be a man and truly accept your arse whipping .
I could list 1000 reasons and excuses why LSU should have beaten your arse by 45 points, but instead we only won by 13 and you are luck you scored in garbage time against 3rd stringers in a prevent defense to make it look better than it was.
I wish nothing but more losses for you and your fellow duck fans. learn how to be a man and truly accept your arse whipping .
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:18 am to DucksflyinPAC
quote:Wouldnt think this reading the rant. Alot of posters are being too hard on JL and the offense.
And your Offense looked to be better then last year too. Keep in mind, Oregon's D is very underrated. You played a D in Oregon that was #12 last year in giving up points, where as LSU was #11. And we just could not stop the run most of the time. You pounded us. So actually, if we are only going by last year, you beat a really solid D in Oregon. Your Offense should be proud.
As for Tyrann, yes he is bad arse . Guy doesnt know he is only 5'8 or 9ish.
Big of you to show back up and take your medicine . Stick around and talk some football with us.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:19 am to TheDoc
quote:Exactly. Like the way my mother-in-law says "I'm not going to tell you how to raise your kids," then continues with "but if it were me...."
"I'm not going to make excuses, but here are my excuses"
OP is not fooling anyone, but at least he/she returned.
This post was edited on 9/8/11 at 9:23 am
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:23 am to DucksflyinPAC
quote:
I am not going to make any excuses to losing
Are you sure???
Good luck to Oregon in the rest of your season.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:25 am to NoGeaux
Great post NoGeaux...I could not agree more.
My big concern is that I don't think Oregon is going to be very good this year. I see them losing at least three games in the PAC 12 which is bad news for us in two ways. First, it hurts our strength of schedule a little, and it means we might not be quite as awesome as our fan base things after this win.
IMO- after watching OR in action, this was a solid win vs a great win.
My big concern is that I don't think Oregon is going to be very good this year. I see them losing at least three games in the PAC 12 which is bad news for us in two ways. First, it hurts our strength of schedule a little, and it means we might not be quite as awesome as our fan base things after this win.
IMO- after watching OR in action, this was a solid win vs a great win.
Posted on 9/8/11 at 9:25 am to DucksflyinPAC
this reads like a Nigerian Craigslist Scam.
Page 5 of 9
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News