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re: This is why we play Bama twice.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:35 am to burke985
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:35 am to burke985
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if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game
I would agree with this if the conferences were more even in competition and each had a conference championship game. Neither of those factors are currently present, so I wouldn't have a problem with two SEC teams playing for it depending on how other top 5 teams finish.
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Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:35 am to AZTiger7072
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The national media and TV and the human polls dont decide who plays in the title game, The BCS formula does.
WTF? Human polls are 2/3 of the formula. The media is an influential factor. Not a very astute comment. As long as there is a viable alternative to a rematch, there shouldn't be one. An undefeated Boise, while not really worthy, will be viable.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:37 am to Hulkklogan
quote:Why? It's how pretty much every sport on the planet works.
This is the dumbest idea in college.
quote:Um, no. If that were the case, we'd have a playoff and even THEN, you aren't guaranteed the "two best".
The idea is to have the 2 best teams in CFB play in the NC, right?
Everything thought you're thinking made great sense not that long ago when OSU and Mich were the two teams. OSU made the title game and got MOWED DOWN!
Until they play the best from OUTSIDE their conference, the whole theory is just that........theory.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:37 am to ShortyRob
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in the NFL, the two best teams are often in one of the conferences. Alas, if they lose in their conference title game, then no Super Bowl for them!
The Packers didnt even win their division last year
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:39 am to BayouTigers4Life
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The Packers didnt even win their division last year
EXACTLY!
College fans and their "two best teams" thing humor me.
What if LSU wins out and in the SECCG, BOTH Lee and JJ get hurt.
Wouldn't there be an argument that they weren't one of the "two best teams" on the day of the MNC game?
You play your way in. Lose your conference, lose your right in.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:42 am to BayouTigers4Life
quote:The NFL has a playoff...
The Packers didnt even win their division last year
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:44 am to ShortyRob
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Why? It's how pretty much every sport on the planet works.
Not in college when there's not a playoff format.
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Um, no. If that were the case, we'd have a playoff and even THEN, you aren't guaranteed the "two best".
The whole reason for the BCS instead of a playoff is to try to get the 2 best teams into the NC. Not the two hottest teams at the moment.
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Until they play the best from OUTSIDE their conference, the whole theory is just that........theory.
Both Alabama and LSU have CRUSHED competition inside and outside of the SEC. LSU and Bama are CLEARLY the best 2 teams in the nation.
I'm actually FOR a playoff system, but if you have the BCS and not a playoff system, you can't say "if you don't win your conference you have no business in the title game."
If you want to look at the playoff system's disadvantages, just look at the Packers last year. They weren't the best team in the league last year. They were decimated, something like 15 players on IR. But they got healthy and got hot at the right time and won it all.
This post was edited on 10/23/11 at 9:46 am
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:46 am to tjohn deaux
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never happen
would be a nightmare for the BCS
Other things that people thought would never happen:
-LSU losing at home to Arkansas in the finale with an inevitable trip to the BCS title game on the line.
-West Virginia losing to a pathetic Pitt team led by a coach on one crutch leaving LSU to enter the title game after it lost to Arkansas picking up its 2nd loss.
-The best team ever (OU) getting stomped by K. State in their conference championship game and still making it to the title game with LSU who made it in over the #1 AP-ranked golden boys from USC.
-Me getting laid
Anyway, my point is that when LSU is involved, the word "never" shouldn't be tossed around too much because never has happened a few times now.
This post was edited on 10/23/11 at 10:22 am
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:51 am to Hulkklogan
There doesn't need to be a rematch, even though it would make sense. In all likelihood, the loser will, and should, end up ranked #2 in the final poll as both teams should win out the rest of the way.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:54 am to AZTiger7072
I just don't see the point to this. Presuming the winner of the LSU/'Bama game wins out and goes into the bowl season undefeated, why would anyone want to watch the loser of that game take a second shot at it? Each team will get its shot on the field to show which is the best in the West.
I say give someone else a crack at it in the BCS title game. The loser of the Nov. 5th game will have already demonstrated that it isn't the team for the task.
I say give someone else a crack at it in the BCS title game. The loser of the Nov. 5th game will have already demonstrated that it isn't the team for the task.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 9:56 am to AZTiger7072
As pissed as I'd be if we had to play Boise in the BCS, I'd be that much more pissed if we beat Bama IN BAMA and were forced to play them again to win the crystal ball.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:05 am to burke985
"if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game"
- signed the 2010 green bay packers?
Stop posting stupid s--- you hear some idiot on the radio or tv say and try to think a bit.
The goal of the bcs championship game is to "match the #1 and #2 teams for the championship".
It says nothing about being from different conferences, not having played each other, etc.
It would be a far greater travesty for a group of people to arbitrarily vote the loser of nov 5 down on their ballot to avoid a rematch.
There are 6 major undefeated's that matter left. (Sorry boise and houston). Head to head takes care of two. If the winner of osu-kstate, stanford and clemson all get a loss and its them vs. A similar one-loss bama/lsu whose only loss was to #1....they have nothing to complain about.
- signed the 2010 green bay packers?
Stop posting stupid s--- you hear some idiot on the radio or tv say and try to think a bit.
The goal of the bcs championship game is to "match the #1 and #2 teams for the championship".
It says nothing about being from different conferences, not having played each other, etc.
It would be a far greater travesty for a group of people to arbitrarily vote the loser of nov 5 down on their ballot to avoid a rematch.
There are 6 major undefeated's that matter left. (Sorry boise and houston). Head to head takes care of two. If the winner of osu-kstate, stanford and clemson all get a loss and its them vs. A similar one-loss bama/lsu whose only loss was to #1....they have nothing to complain about.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:09 am to Hulkklogan
quote:Go check what UM and OSU did in 2006.
Both Alabama and LSU have CRUSHED competition inside and outside of the SEC. LSU and Bama are CLEARLY the best 2 teams in the nation.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:19 am to sml71
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why would anyone want to watch the loser of that game take a second shot at it?
People aren't necessarily saying they would want this. Honestly, if LSU beats Bama at home, they shouldn't have to play them again. They've proven enough right there.
But people are saying that it could happen.
It would certainly be a wild environment though. Saban said after he met us in a bowl at Michigan State how the LSU fans left an impression on him because of how loud they were. Imagine a BCS Championship in the dome...
We're getting ahead of ourselves anyway. Anything can happen in college football. Nov. 5 is enough to be excited about by itself..
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:23 am to burke985
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if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game
If you lose to the number 1 team in the country, and remain #2, I don't have any problems with a re-match. But that won't happen.
An undefeated Boise gets in over a 1-loss SEC team vs a 0-loss SEC team. Any other year, 1-loss SEC team gets in over Boise.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:24 am to burke985
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if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game
+1
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:25 am to Big EZ Tiger
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-Me getting laid
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Anyway, my point is that when LSU is involved, the word "never" shouldn't be tossed around too much because never has happened a few times now.
you make a good point but two SEC teams in the NCG would be a nightmare for the BCS and I see BCS proponents doing whatever they have to, to prevent this from happening. It would ruin their argument that the BCS creates the same scenario as a playoff system.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:27 am to BayouTigers4Life
quote:Granted, a rematch, especially if LSU wins at Bama, is unlikely.
After 2006 it would be almost impossible to see a rematch.
However, 2006 has NOTHING to do with it.
2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 do.
Those 2003, 2006-10 performances would be the reason for a rematch.
The build-up to Nov 5th will be epic.
Promo's for both teams will fill the next 2 weeks, with LSU/Bama being regarded as a level above any others in CFB. ESPN already has one running ( LINK). Were LSU as the consensus #1 with that kind of run-up to lose in a close, controversially officiated game, one could see a rematch occurring in Jan.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:28 am to burke985
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if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game
I don't understand this logic. So far this season it's been pretty clear that LSU and Bama are in a different class than any other team. The 2 other teams that I thought were close choked last night, proving that they are pretenders. If no team outside the SEC is better than the 2 best teams in the SEC, let em play for the NC. I would agree that human element probably won't allow this to happen, but to say they have no business there is ignorant if they are the 2 best teams. So far they have been.
Posted on 10/23/11 at 10:29 am to burke985
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if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game
I hear this nonsense all the time.
If the Patriots and Packers were both dropped into the SEC they shouldn't play for the BCS? Even though either would beat the 3rd best team by 100? Foolishness!
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