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re: This is late to the party, but could someone give me the rundown of what Will Wade did?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:30 am to Mbeloso
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:30 am to Mbeloso
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Before you bash me. I am limited like everyone on time in life. I never dug into the story. I know he basically was paying players, but who doesn't do that? Give me specifics if you don't mind.
Wade clumsily handled things many other college teams do in secret. The result was he was on tape discussing an offer and used his personal account to play a player's ex-girlfriend. He tried to play it off as did this board that the offer was not money but we all know it was.
But all of that might not have cost him his job except blowhard Dickie V was trying to deflect criticism from his friends like Bruce Pearl by continuously harping on Wade. Even still, he may have survived that. But then the stuff about sexual misconduct within the football program started to come out or heat up. With all that smoke and the threat of pending sanctions should any allegations prove true, it seems clear to me that the AD and administration had little choice but to negotiate with the NCAA and strike a bargain that they would fire Wade as an act of good faith to head of sanctions against both the basketball and football programs.
That's how I see it and I suspect that Will Wade has held his tongue, for the most part, because he does not want to harm LSU or his former players. Whatever else Wade is or was, he seems to be a loyal guy.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:35 am to Mbeloso
Nothing any other coach hasn’t done
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:49 am to Mbeloso
He took money out of his own bank account to pay for a recruit’s silence. He did it while employed at LSU and under an active NCAA investigation. If had not done this he is likely still coaching LSU.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:26 am to ipodking
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The moron was paying recruits out of his joint checking account he had with his wife
No, he wasn't.
He paid blackmail money to the ex-girlfriend of a player.
The payments were not to convince someone to attend LSU, or as a benefit to someone playing at LSU.
The ex-girlfriend threatened to reveal that LSU was paying players, and it seems pretty obvious that he wouldn't pay blackmail payments based on nothing, but the blackmail payments themselves are the only exchanges currently of record.
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A total fricking moron
This is true.
But the fact that he was so bad at distributing ones of thousands of dollars to a random person makes me think that he probably was not personally managing some large, elaborate pay-for-play operation.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 11:27 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:27 am to Mbeloso
His calf’s were to big for the AD to handle.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:18 pm to Merchant Tiger
Cheated, lied,fraud and all around POS
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:24 pm to Homer Pelican
quote:Dale Brown?
Cheated, lied,fraud and all around POS
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:29 pm to studentsect
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The ex-girlfriend threatened to reveal that LSU was paying players, and it seems pretty obvious that he wouldn't pay blackmail payments based on nothing, but the blackmail payments themselves are the only exchanges currently of record.
Wasn’t that the girlfriend of a VCU player, not even a LSU player?
The NCAA was digging for anything, anywhere.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:58 pm to Mbeloso
He beat Kentucky. That’ll get you investigated faster than Hugh freeze beating aLabama in football.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:14 pm to mdomingue
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Wade clumsily handled things many other college teams do in secret. The result was he was on tape discussing an offer and used his personal account to play a player's ex-girlfriend. He tried to play it off as did this board that the offer was not money but we all know it was.
When, prior to this episode, in the history of college basketball had the US Department of Justice or the FBI ever investigate college basketball recruiting? The answer is never. So for many to suggest Wade was "dumb" for having a phone conversation with a "runner" about trying to sign a player and should have anticipated the federal government would be listing on the call is absurd. Before, then, and now, college basketball coaches have such conversations with dozens of "runners" a year, all the time. That is why AAU basketball exists. It is basically a marketplace to sell HS talent.
Unfortunately for Wade he was caught talking to the exact wrong runner at the exact wrong time in history. No coach could have ever anticipated one of the numerous runners they talk to would be cooperating in a Federal investigation. A federal investigation that at the beginning had absolutely nothing to do with college basketball recruiting.
The NCAA is not naive. They knew/know how the sausage is made. They know the reason AAU basketball exists. Yet, they didn't have the resources or desire (probably both) to fully investigate everything. So they generally just turned a blind eye or did nothing until a case fell into their lap. This one did. And Wade's wiretapped statements were some of the most direct and egregious evidence of the shady underbelly of high level recruiting.
With such a highly publicized event, the NCAA could not do nothing. They had to save face and try to preserve the facade that college sports is still an "amatuer" endeavor and that this behavior was the exception, not the rule. Even though the opposite has long been true.
For his part, Wade isn't dumb either. He knew what the "strong arse offer" was. He knew what was discussed in the recorded conversation. So his response was essentially the equivalent of "taking the 5th". It was the NCAA's burden to prove wrongdoing, not his burden to exonerate himself.
In the 3 years that passed since the initial release of the wiretap recording in March of 2019 LSU got a new AD (ironically largely due to the fervent fan/booster support of Wade) and overturned many aspects of the athletic department. Woodward didn't hire Wade. He inherited the situation. And with football being the target of an NCAA investigation, along with Woodward's propensity to want to bring in his own hires at HC, he decided to move on from Wade at the end of last season. LSU was spending a ton of money replacing the football, women's basketball, and baseball staffs. So when the NOA presented an opportunity to replace the MBB staff without having to pay a buyout (or at least a full buyout) he took it. Though I will go to my grave saying the timing of the firing was purely and solely vindictive without any regard for the players about to participate in the NCAAT.
It's disappointing because I think Wade was the closest thing to Dale Brown at LSU since brown. He was brash. He brought energy and excitement to an otherwise lifeless program. He was the first coach since Brown to win consistently. He was bringing in great talent. Say what you want about Brown and his coaching ability, but the PMAC was never more alive than at the height of the Brown era, and it hasn't consistently reached that level since.
Alas, it is time to move on and support the new staff. My hope is that McMahon can bring LSU basketball to such heights where we eventually start to forget about the Wade era. Not because I don't like Wade. But because that will mean LSU basketball is a national championship contender.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:22 pm to SUB
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I’m pretty sure that new evidence is what finally got him fired
Technically it was the NCAA "Notice of Allegations".
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:29 pm to SUB
There's no evidence that got him fired. What this boils down to is Woodward wasn't willing to let it linger over the program. Wade predated Woodward by 2 years. The allegations were never really proved, but there was enough smoke to suggest there was a fire.
At the end of the day, Woodward felt the best thing to do for the school was wash their hands of Wade and go get his guy. Woodward likes having his guy. I firmly believe if this was a Woodward hire, a little slap on the wrist, couple non-conference game suspensions, and it would have been business as usual because like another poster mentioned, it isn't something that other blue blood programs aren't doing; they're just better at it.
At the end of the day, Woodward felt the best thing to do for the school was wash their hands of Wade and go get his guy. Woodward likes having his guy. I firmly believe if this was a Woodward hire, a little slap on the wrist, couple non-conference game suspensions, and it would have been business as usual because like another poster mentioned, it isn't something that other blue blood programs aren't doing; they're just better at it.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 2:04 pm to Choupique19
quote:No. It was Naz Reid. Amazing how long a lie that fits peoples' narratives will last.
Wasn’t that the girlfriend of a VCU player, not even a LSU player?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 3:18 pm to DhanTigers212
isn't that something the boosters or other organizations that represent the university deal with?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 3:32 pm to Alt26
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Alas, it is time to move on and support the new staff. My hope is that McMahon can bring LSU basketball to such heights where we eventually start to forget about the Wade era. Not because I don't like Wade. But because that will mean LSU basketball is a national championship contender.
I reached that conclusion a while back and I agree with this 100%.
But I stand by the idea that he was clumsy, not necessarily dumb, in how he approached the conversation with the handler. Have your bag man talk to the handler, that is the age old method that I remember. He knows he is the fall guy for you. Paying the former recruits ex from your personal account was ill advised, that may be the only thing you categorize as dumb, though I'm not sure I would.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 3:33 pm to DhanTigers212
quote:Well. He kinda told them to frick off in his own Will Wade way.
The NCAA and every media source was on a mission to make Will Wade and LSU pay. They won. We lost.
So, that probably had a little to do with them not letting it go.
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