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re: this criticism of chavis is absolutely absurd (long)

Posted on 10/28/13 at 9:57 am to
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158786 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 9:57 am to
great coordinators adjust their scheme to the players they have. Chavis has failed to do that this year. Sorry he deserves to be called out.
Posted by GeauxTigers14
Member since Jun 2011
30 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:01 am to
I see more complaining about complaining on TD than I do of any actual complains.
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10484 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:03 am to
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like i said, see many diaz's defense at texas

Thats great, Many Diaz sucks worse than Chavis. Doesn't change the fact that Chavis' scheme has always been average. Great D-Coordinators take average defenses and make them above average. Chavis doesn't do that. His blitz schemes are so predictable. If the average fan like myself can tell you which guys are blitzing, then you wont get to the QB unless you win a 1-on-1 matchup somewhere and we aren't doing that. UGA got pressure on us alot of the time because they were running stunts, faking blitzes, but mainly just bringing more than we could block. Why not take a chance on that when you are losing every 3rd down anyway. How many times did Ole Miss beat us on deep passes? Not many if at all, but I'm glad we continued to play 2 safeties way off the ball, they really helped while we were getting torched in the run and getting beat on quick pass routes? Do you really think Bo Wallace is a good QB? Cause he is not, and even A&M did a better job against him than we did. PP7, Mathieu, Claiborne, Reid, Brooks. Those guys are all NFL guys, and they could cover anyone in the college game when they were at LSU. This defense will never be as good as those defenses, but they should be alot better than they are right now.
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10484 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:06 am to
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I see more complaining about complaining on TD than I do of any actual complains.

Amen, its a forum. It exists because people need a place to complain... DWI.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
29872 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:15 am to
I'll be the first to say that the fire Chavis talk is bullshite. The guy is a great coach, we just don't have the experience. Our D is actually playing a lot better then it was against UGA and even the first half of MSU. We did collapse at the end of the Ole Miss game, but we are thin on D so it isn't a surprise for that to happen at the end like that. We will give Alabama a tough game.....don' t know if we win but we will fight. I think we beat A & M and Arky. Another 10 win season, which I think most of us would have taken after the NFL draft last year.
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2385 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:17 am to
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great coordinators adjust their scheme to the players they have. Chavis has failed to do that this year. Sorry he deserves to be called out.
uh, so exactly what players should chavis be scheming around? The secondary is the weakest unit, and the dline cant get pressure, so whats the game plan against a quality passing team there coach? send six guys on every other down, leaving every corner manned up and one or no safeties deep? Pretty solid. You should write chavis a strongly worded letter.

the reality is, when you have weaknesses in your dline, linebacking core, and expecially your secondary, your options schematically are severely limited. Arguing, well, uh, he should just adjust to what he's got and put a top ten defense on the field is completely asinine if you completely ignore what he's actually got talent wise.


Also, I cant wait to bump this thread in a year or two. so many sig quotes to be had...
Posted by El Eh Shu
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
836 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:17 am to
Nick Saban and Average AJ studied (and exposed) our two minute defense last year and picked us apart to end the 2nd quarter and 4th quarter.
It didn't start (or end) in November 2012. We've been doing it for a while, these are just some games I remember teams passing all over us for quick TDs. Posted before but everyone said no, it's the offense that sucks and can't get a first so the D spends too much time on the field.


UNC 2010
bama 2010 - 1 minute TD drive
Ole Miss 2010
South Carolina 2012 - 1 minute TD drive
A&M 2012 - 1 minute TD drive
bama 2012 - two 1 minute TD drives, they won
Ole Miss 2012 - followed bama's gameplan
Clemson 2012 - followed bama's gameplan, they won
Georgia 2013 - ended each half with TDs, they won
Ole Miss 2013 - Mett was awful, but we couldn't stop em

Yes, 2012 had inexperienced corners. I do not know the game of football like players or coaches, but I know Chief should've sent Nick a Little Debbie for letting him know what needs to be changed....then made that change. But unfortunately, he has not made a change.

It's about hunger and complacency. Chief plays the odds. The hungry coaches love the opportunity to play those odds. First year SEC coach Malzahn isn't going to say "game over" when he is down 21-0 on the road in the first half. 2nd year SEC coach Freeze didn't say "they are too talented, healthy, and well coached with an NFL quarterback so let's go at it how we normally would." Not everyone is John L. Les is acting like this is the 2011 team which it is not.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33964 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:18 am to
your post is entirely too long to read, but he deserves criticism for the soft zone he plays in 3rd and long situations and at the end of each half
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158786 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:26 am to
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uh, so exactly what players should chavis be scheming around? The secondary is the weakest unit, and the dline cant get pressure, so whats the game plan against a quality passing team there coach? send six guys on every other down, leaving every corner manned up and one or no safeties deep? Pretty solid. You should write chavis a strongly worded letter


So when you have a weak secondary and a DL that can't rush the passer we should just sit back and give them all day to throw? Look I'm not asking him to blitz every down dipshit, but some aggressive calls in critical situations would probably help. You know that DL isn't getting there, so give your secondary some help.

Also part of the reason you can't trust your secondary is your insistence on playing guys like Loston who can't cover shite, can't get his assignments right, and just roams around looking for a highlight reel hit. That's on you for keeping him out there.
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7183 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:28 am to
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I expected a D fall off but nothing this bad. It's also fair to question his scheme going forward with the new look offenses in our conference.


New? Like what? They pass the ball now?

There is no offense being run today in our conference, or any other conference, that was Chavis has not seen in some respect.

A coach can tell a kid where to be on a play. A coach can teach how to react. However, the kid has to actually play the game. Some kids catch on faster than others.

Unfortuantely, experience is mean teacher especically for the young.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83958 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:28 am to
FWIW, the losses to Georgia this year and the losses to Alabama and Clemson last year were all on the defense.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:30 am to
When Chavis brings pressure, it's typically a positive thing for Lsu.

When he
Let's his guys sit back in coverage with a poor pass rush bringing 4, it sucks.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 10:32 am
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:50 am to
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I would just love for someone to cite one defense in the history of college football who lost 7 starters, six of them juniors, to the nfl, the next season had two true freshman starting at cb/nickel, and fielded a defense anywhere near the top 50, much less 25th in the fricking nation.


I agree with this.

My concern is that the pass defense began sucking last season when we had all those guys you mention and it's still sucking going by the Old Miss game.

To me, that shows a deeper problem than simply players leaving.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10484 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:51 am to
So our DB play regressing last year was because those guys had too much experience?

Our LB play without Minter last year was horrific, again because of lack of experience?

Our DL last year underperformed, yet still was 1,000,000 times better than this year.

Fact is Chavis is only as good as his talent and assistant coaches, much like Miles. His scheme is uncreative and has been figured out.

Saban's defenses haven't even taken this much of a step back and have had as much departures in a single season if not more. Hell, Ole Miss was down to 4 or 5 starters on defense and their 4th and 5th DEs and even down to their 5th and 6th by the end of the LSU game and still seemed to have little issue getting pressure.

Dude is what he is. He's not as good as some of you would like to believe, simply put. His LBer coaching is extremely overrated, and always has been.

Does that mean he sucks? No. It just means he's past his prime and is on his way down and in a hurry because he simply can't out scheme opponents anymore. In fact, he's so easy to out scheme in 2-minute drills, I am trying to remember the last time in a 10 point or less game his teams have gotten a stop without giving up a quick TD to make games a lot closer than they needed to be.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 12:05 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:53 am to
quote:

Fact is Chavis is only as good as his talent and assistant coaches, much like Saban. His scheme is uncreative and has been figured out.

Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
Member since Nov 2005
6959 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 11:26 am to
IMO, Chavis is an above average coach. We could do much worse, but Chavis could do much better if he was just a tad bit more aggressive.

I give Chavis a pass this year due to the amount of departures. The defense has improved as the season has progressed.
Posted by Akit1
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2006
7634 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 11:51 am to
OP couldn't agree more. Your thread was spot on. You should post more often.
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4353 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 11:53 am to
quote:

It is HISTORY..that was what got him fired at TN.
Typing this once proves you don't know what you are talking about. Twice means you're an idiot.
Posted by Bandits
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2008
3170 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 12:10 pm to
Great initial post on this thread. The Chief will have the Bandits rolling on November 9.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10484 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 12:10 pm to
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It is HISTORY..that was what got him fired at TN.


He was not fired by Tennessee. Fulmer was. If anything, his defense in 2008 (the year Fulmer was fired) was #3 in the nation int total yards allowed and #10 in points allowed.

That said, I think Chavis was a great DC, but just is declining now and is a little above average, especially with the fundamental shifts in how offenses are being run and his position coaching is a bit overrated.

Without freakish talent and very strongly coached DBs, his defenses suffer and he has huge issues coaching tied or with a lead in the closing minutes. Heck, multiple teams including Bama have said they knew exactly what to expect on their last minute drives from Chavis and that's why they succeeded.

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