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re: There’s not much O likes about his offense
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:04 am to TrueTigerTale
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:04 am to TrueTigerTale
This is what happens when you merely try to replicate something instead of having your own consistent coaching philosophy or vision.
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Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:15 am to Bottom9
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Will Coach O get into a fist fight with Peetz like he tried to do with Matt Canada?
No, but based on his rant last night regarding his offense, he may fire Peetz and bring back Esminger. That would not surprise me.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:15 am to Supermoto Tiger
quote:Can tell there's more "guessing" than "setup" happening right now. There's several things missing in this offense right now that, with the players playing, could lead to better net results.
So when they blitz, and we keep running the same ole bullshite plays - what happens at halftime??
Our OC does not know to counter a blitz with a draw or screen???
I'm serious. The OC has to know this??? I'm not talking about revamping the entire offense in the middle of the game. Just run a draw play or screen to keep the D honest.
One of them is tempo AND communication (they go hand in hand). But to get to that, you have to be running "setup" plays. Successful plays that you make the D adjust by moving people to stop... and then you pounce. And that can be a "check with sidelines" call or a QB call at the line. Doesn't matter. What matters is that you run the setup play AND you have the "attack" play waiting for that adjustment. Once you have them on the seesaw then they are the one guessing, not you.
Right now we're guessing where the D weakness is and calling plays based on that. And that's where you see inconsistency creep in. One good play that works great, and then two that played into the hands (or teeth) of the D... followed by a punt.
Screens and draws are a big part of that. But only a portion. Those should be your "attack" plays based on something the D did, whether it be pre-snap alignment, the D personnel on the field (e.g. short yardage jumbo), or D personnel moving around once linemen are down (e.g. S moving over/up/back).
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:16 am to Topwater Trout
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so now you are saying the HC is responsible for how the rbs, wrs, ob, oline, te's etc. play? Holy frick...do you have a job?
Of course he’s responsible for how the team plays! You really are a dumbass.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:20 am to TrueTigerTale
quote:Scary
he doesn’t like the plays being called
quote:Did he tell Peetz what kind of offense he was looking for while preparing for UCLA all offseason?
He doesn’t like his OC taking so long to choose plays,
No. Of course not. Because it’s not his place. The OC is supposed to run the show with our setup. This is why making the right hires is so important. He didn’t realize he had a guy doing things wrong until he sees it suck arse in a real game.
Same thing happened with Scott, Bo, Canada, etc. How many more times are we going to do this?
Coach evaluation.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:22 am to Topwater Trout
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The hire is on O and he will ultimately be responsible for that hire.
Who coaches the offense? If the offense improves are you giving the credit to O, who according to all of you knows nothing about the offensive side of the ball, or are you going to give the credit to Peetz?
Bruh. He hired a guy that has never called plays before and now he’s complaining about how the guy does his job. Of course he’s getting mocked. Why the frick did he hire an unknown quantity for OC? If you want a guy that calls plays a certain way, look at all the people calling plays and start calling the ones you like to see who’s interested.
But this is the same guy that hired Matt Canada and then told him to knock it off with all the shifts and hurry up.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:24 am to Topwater Trout
quote:In what world is a person of authority (be it a manager, director of a department, boss, coach, etc.) not held accountable for the performance of the people he has authority over?
so now you are saying the HC is responsible for how the rbs, wrs, ob, oline, te's etc. play? Holy frick...do you have a job?
Maybe we should be asking you if you have a job.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:25 am to TigerLunatik
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Uhh... yeah?
holy shite so a guy who knows nothing about the offensive side of the ball per all the o haters is coaching the wr's on their routes? wow this fanbase is really ate up with it
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:25 am to RealityTiger
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In what world is a person of authority (be it a manager, director of a department, boss, coach, etc.) not held accountable for the performance of the people he has authority over?
Maybe we should be asking you if you have a job.
This is why I didn't bother responding other than to tell TrouserTrout that I was sig quoting that beauty of a comment.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:26 am to TrueTigerTale
Why does he just notice these things in the middle of the season? Have they not practiced/scrimmaged for months? It’s like when he decided he didn’t like Canada’s motions and publicly stated this in middle of the season. Did he not watch them run that offense all spring and summer long? He watches the offense for the first time like us fans during the season and somehow only watches defense during practice and doesn’t see no 18 is the worst mlb since welter and refuses to even sub him out. How does he get paid millions?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:26 am to TigerFanFromBama
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If he gives Auburn their first win in Tiger Stadium since 1999, he's toast.
This will almost certainly happen
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:29 am to RealityTiger
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Maybe we should be asking you if you have a job.
a CEO isn't telling a billing clerk how to do her job...he has a billing supervisor that he deal with. Yall are really out of touch with the real world if you think a CEO is supervising/interacting with people who have a direct supervisor/department manager
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:35 am to Topwater Trout
He is the head coach you goofball.
He made the hires. No one else. If the hires are great, he looks great. In turn, if they’re awful, it reflects poorly on him. In the last two years, there has been little improvement.
It falls squarely on his shoulders based on the hires he made. We’re now on our 3rd OC/DC in 3 years. Crap he didn’t even interview the last DC. That’s what a head coach should do?
He made the hires. No one else. If the hires are great, he looks great. In turn, if they’re awful, it reflects poorly on him. In the last two years, there has been little improvement.
It falls squarely on his shoulders based on the hires he made. We’re now on our 3rd OC/DC in 3 years. Crap he didn’t even interview the last DC. That’s what a head coach should do?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:36 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Coach evaluation.
holy shite so a guy who knows nothing about the offensive side of the ball per all the o haters is coaching the wr's on their routes? wow this fanbase is really ate up with it
He can’t do it.
These are not personal attacks. We all have limitations.
He comes out and bashes these coaches when he’s the one who hired them. How many times are we going to do this?
Most of you said recruiting is all that matters and yet the team has been riddled with attrition. Can’t keep a proper roster together. By both initial evaluation and attrition. But I guess that’s not his fault either.
Want me to post a list of everything wrong with the program? Always someone else’s fault…
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:36 am to Topwater Trout
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holy shite so a guy who knows nothing about the offensive side of the ball per all the o haters is coaching the wr's on their routes? wow this fanbase is really ate up with it
I didn't say he was the one coaching them. He is responsible for how they play because he is the one that hires the people that are coaching them. If the head coach isn't responsible for how thr players are playing, what the hell is hr responsible for? What the hell are you even talking about?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:39 am to Topwater Trout
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a CEO isn't telling a billing clerk how to do her job...he has a billing supervisor that he deal with. Yall are really out of touch with the real world if you think a CEO is supervising/interacting with people who have a direct supervisor/department manager
You do realize the "CEO head coach" doesn't directly correlate to being an actual CEO, correct? I thought you were just trolling but it's obvious you're just unintelligent.
There are about 20 degrees of separation between a bank CEO and their low level employees. Ed sees and interacts with all of the players on a daily basis.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:42 am to RB10
Right. In his analogy, the CEO would be more like LSU President Tate.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:42 am to la_birdman
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He made the hires. No one else. If the hires are great, he looks great. In turn, if they’re awful, it reflects poorly on him.
I have never said otherwise
I said the OC and the position coaches are responsible for teaching technique, blocking schemes, pass routes etc. O is NOT coaching the wr's how to run a pass route. If the offense improves I will give the praise to the offensive coaches and players for the improvement, not the HC who doesn't coach individual units. If the offense, defense, team improve and the coaches hired are responsible O will get credit for making those hires. It is not a difficult concept.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:44 am to Topwater Trout
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I said the OC and the position coaches are responsible for teaching technique, blocking schemes, pass routes etc. O is NOT coaching the wr's how to run a pass route. If the offense improves I will give the praise to the offensive coaches and players for the improvement, not the HC who doesn't coach individual units. If the offense, defense, team improve and the coaches hired are responsible O will get credit for making those hires. It is not a difficult concept.
So the individual position coaches are at fault for any negatives and Orgeron gets the praise of there is positive improvement. Interesting.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:46 am to Topwater Trout
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I said the OC and the position coaches are responsible for teaching technique, blocking schemes, pass routes etc.
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I blame O for the record...not for how each unit is playing
You didn't mention a single one of those things.
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