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re: There's a very high chance that SE remains our OC next year...

Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:34 am to
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:34 am to
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But my sentiments have changed. He's not the guy and if we're going to do some sort of analyst situation, he needs to be the analyst and we need another OC altogether.
This may happen. SE may even step down after this year. But he may not.

And I see almost a zero chance he gets fired. I understand the reasons for O not doing that. So what are the alternatives?
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 11:37 am
Posted by Giantkiller
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:35 am to
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There's a very high chance that SE remains our OC next year...


Well no shite.

"#7 Team In Country Retains Staff".

Also, water is wet.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:36 am to
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I think he will want to step down and just coach TE's. I am sure he hears the fans criticism and would rather not subject himself/family to it anymore. I think he is doing as good as he can with how the line has played but would like to see this happen....and have no hard feelings.


my gut instinct, no facts is that he was asked to be a "place holder" for ???
I think either this coming year or the next he will step into a more "part time" role and make room for ???

I think it is by design.

Posted by ibldprplgld
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:39 am to
No I don't think he's fired, and I don't think there are viable external options to have him take another job as Miles liked to setup.

At this point O either makes the decision to move him back to TE coach, or he goes the route of analyst. I've no doubt he knows offense. I just think there's a disconnect between knowing offense and calling an offense for him. Option of last resort is to keep him at OC.
Posted by BayouCowboy
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:39 am to
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You may be right. I also think that things are not as easy as they seem on the surface. Firing another OC after one year after just doing the same the year before Looks really bad to recruits. Now, I'm not disagreeing that O put himself in this situation, so he has nobody to blame but himself. But the situation is what it is. So I'm looking at what's best for the program going forward. I have seen some coOC situational changes. Maybe that's not a bad idea. Bring in a coOC next year, then let him take over after that. Everyone wins. We get innovation on offense, plus it doesn't look bad to recruits.

SE was given a 2yr deal. Isn't that atypical to give a 2 year contract to a coach if you intend for them to be a long term solution. I still believe this was a stop gap to "stabilize" things while they explore OC options.

I still maintain that the logical progression is that when Sullivan's contract runs out this season Joseph becomes the full-time WR coach and we hire a co-OC that takes over when SE's contract expires. Also consider that Sullivan makes 450k and Briles makes 400k.

Another thought is that Briles' and SE's contract both expire in 2019. I know I'm probably setting myself up for disappointment pinning my hopes on us getting Briles, but I can see it happening.

Final thought in regards to the concern of "losing recruits due to 3 OCs in 3 years" is if that next OC is a dynamic OC like Briles it completely negates any negative effect of the changeover.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:42 am to
Yeah, I mean, even if it's in title alone. There's something to be said about appearances.

If we bring in a coOC, then he would have the majority of the control because this is his show going forward.

So everyone is happy. SE gets the final year on his contract. We keep the perception of stability. And we have a high profile replacement. Win Win.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 11:57 am
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:43 am to
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. Anyone that knows football will say it all starts up front...now here comes all the dumbasses saying we should run this scheme or this...no scheme looks good with bad play up front.


So you're sitting here telling everyone that there are 100 programs with better oline talent than lsu?

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we have lots of ignorant fans


Yeah like the ones that think there is no way to scheme around a bad line.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38100 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:51 am to
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I still maintain that the logical progression is that when Sullivan's contract runs out this season Joseph becomes the full-time WR coach and we hire a co-OC that takes over when SE's contract expires.
Maintain the perception of stability, bring in a high profile replacement, AND SE gets to finish out his contract and ride of into the sunset.

WIN WIN WIN
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:00 pm to
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He's not going to do this. He is making $800k he isn't going to willingly cut his salary in half. O will need to demote him, or fire him. Since E is the guy O wanted all along, E isn't going anywhere.


If this comes to fruition, and the offense falls on its face again, the 0 should be terminated at season's end. 'Nuff said.

Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:14 pm to
“ we have OL issues, as a lot of teams do “

The OL didn’t seem to be an significant issue as LSU took a 30 pt lead on UM while giving up 2 sacks. Didn’t seem to have a significant problem at Aub while helping Joe to a 250 passing yd day with one Sack. Didn’t seem to have a significant problem as LSU put up almost 600 yds on Ga with 3 sacks.

Since that Georgia game it has it been a different story as offensive production has steadily declined. Maybe it’s as simple as other teams figuring out how to better defend us. Whatever the problem, we have the 11 most productive O in the SEC and that simply isn’t acceptable at LSU no matter the coaching staff. imo

Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:15 pm to
If you mean 100% then you are correct
Posted by blackandgolddude
Virginia Beach
Member since Apr 2012
3529 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:17 pm to
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OU fired their DC this year, but there may have been other circumstances to that. 


The circumstances were that his defenses sucked.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38100 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:23 pm to
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The circumstances were that his defenses sucked.
No doubt.

But circumstances aside, Stoops had been the DC for over 10 years. Over 5 years consecutively. That was a different situation all together.
Posted by bstew3006
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:31 pm to
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we have lots of ignorant fans


correct!

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Anyone that knows football will say it all starts up front


Of course, but there are many other factors to running good offense.

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fans that probably never played the game.


What college and pro team did you play for to gain all your wisdom?

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now here comes all the dumbasses saying we should run this scheme or this...no scheme looks good with bad play up front.


Lets take the "dumbass ranters" out of it...What do you say about the many former LSU players, former NFL players and analyst that are blaming the scheme?

Former LSU player and Former NFL all pro, Ryan Clark blames scheme...he certainly has forgotten more than you and I know about the game.

Former Great LSU player, Rohan Davey. He calls out the scheme/playcalling and how the offense struggles to run very basic plays (execution).

What about the many former players/analyst that call out scheme/playcalling,creativity and execution?

Do you call all these people, who were all former players at a very high level, dumbasses for not stating the OL?

It does start up front, but there are many other variables that make a good offense and LSU is struggling in all of them. If you think the only issue or the main issue is OL, fine. But many more people with a hell of a lot more experience and knowledge lean towards scheme, playcalling, creativity and execution...which is all on the offensive staff.

Will change be made after the season, I hope so. CEO will not demote or fire SE, so I expect SE to step down from a position that he did not want and is failing in. Think he would rather step down before being fired from his alma mater.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33900 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:36 pm to
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The OL didn’t seem to be an significant issue as LSU took a 30 pt lead on UM while giving up 2 sacks. Didn’t seem to have a significant problem at Aub while helping Joe to a 250 passing yd day with one Sack. Didn’t seem to have a significant problem as LSU put up almost 600 yds on Ga with 3 sacks


Yeah, it's funny how that works.

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Since that Georgia game it has it been a different story as offensive production has steadily declined. Maybe it’s as simple as other teams figuring out how to better defend us


Can't really assail this logic. We reached an apex in performance and since then it's been all downhill.

It speaks to why they felt the need to hold back earlier in the season, because they have no confidence in their abilities to make counter-adjustments to how teams adjust to their play.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 1:33 pm to
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