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Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:18 am to tarzana
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Unless it's sure to produce a base hit, swinging away on a 3-0 count is always stupid
That’s just not true. There are many situations where it makes sense. E.g., your best hitter up in a tight game with a base open and runners in scoring position…. Especially if for whatever reason, you’re lacking confidence that day in the two hitters behind him. There, the last thing you want is a walk to set up the force at home and two potential non-productive at bats.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:36 am to Broski
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Ok to swing 3-0 when it’s a strike
You think it's that easy to recognize?
Yes. Because by the time a player with White's skills makes it to this point, he knows what's his best fastball, and fastball only, to swing at. Inside, outside, high, low
On 3-0, you're taught to look for that 1 pitch, if it's not there, it's ball 4 or it was the pitcher's pitch not yours.
If a player doesn't have that discipline, they shouldn't have the green light.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:47 am to scorb
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It was a selfish, pre Madonna move to swing in that situation. He thinks he's bigger than the game sometimes. He needs to take it down a chain.
When is a post Madonna move then?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:56 am to Broski
Don’t mind the green light there, he should have it in most scenarios
Jay knows they’re not going anywhere unless he gets going again. Further, a Walk there puts him on with nobody else on base, and with our offense the odds were heavy that he’d be stranded
Jay knows they’re not going anywhere unless he gets going again. Further, a Walk there puts him on with nobody else on base, and with our offense the odds were heavy that he’d be stranded
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:58 am to Tiger985
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Unless it's sure to produce a base hit, swinging away on a 3-0 count is always stupid
You just solved baseball, never swing unless you’re sure to produce a hit, genious!
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You never swing on a 3-0 count in late innings down a run.
Never ever ever ever. Anyone saying it was ok doesn't know baseball.
I know that’s what they taught you in little league, but sometimes specific situations call for going against the grain. Your best hitter is up, nobody on base, finally have them on the ropes, let him try and do something, live and die with your best.
Obviously he shouldn’t have swung at the pitch he swung at, but the decision to allow him to swing wasn’t necessarily a bad one.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:54 am to TigahTeeth
You know what pitch is coming. Why give the pitcher a free strike?
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Shouldn't chase a bad pitch there.
Especially, when we were not getting many guys on base in a close game.
I would be fine with it if the pitch was good. It wasn't.
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Shouldn't chase a bad pitch there.
Especially, when we were not getting many guys on base in a close game.
I would be fine with it if the pitch was good. It wasn't.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:13 am to KTiger85
I think there is a distinction that needs to be made between arguing if Tanks should have the green light on 3-0 vs should he have swung at that pitch.
He absolutely should have a green light.
Was it the best pitch to swing at? No, but that’s a hard distinction to make and it’s just part of letting one of the best hitters in the country do his thing.
He absolutely should have a green light.
Was it the best pitch to swing at? No, but that’s a hard distinction to make and it’s just part of letting one of the best hitters in the country do his thing.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:19 am to barry
Why would a batter at the college level let a college level pitcher just throw a free strike down the middle? The batter should have the green light to swing at something if he thinks it is a strike. The 3-0 count puts pressure on the pitcher to throw a favorable pitch to the batter so it is stupid to just predetermine not to swing.
In lower level baseball kids may just have a harder time with control in general. This is big time baseball.
In lower level baseball kids may just have a harder time with control in general. This is big time baseball.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:26 am to Broski
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..the only bad thing about it was the result.
He made a poor decision. Thats the problem.
Maybe he shouldnt be trusted 100%
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He made a poor decision. Thats the problem. Maybe he shouldnt be trusted 100%
Ok, and it’s never gonna be perfect. But you dance with the girl you brought. Taking the bat out of tanks hands is absurd.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 12:50 pm to NOSTRODAMUS
I wish he would have taken a pitch there
We needed base runners
We needed base runners
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:02 pm to drp0911
I was all for him having the green light on a give me strike right down the middle of the plate. But everyone knew with free swinging Tommy the only way it was going to be right down the middle was on a mistake. But in the end it didn't matter. He will adjust to that at the next level
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:29 pm to Broski
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Armed with hindsight
It’s not hindsight to say you never swing on 3-0 count in a situation like that. You really shouldn’t swing on 3-1 either.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:30 pm to cajunjoey2010
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He will adjust to that at the next level
oh he will adjust alright
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:35 pm to KTiger85
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You know what pitch is coming. Why give the pitcher a free strike?
You mean the pitcher who just threw 3 consecutive non-strikes?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:03 pm to JPLSU1981
Nothing wrong with having a green light on a 3-0 pitch if you are a good hitter. But having a green light is not a mandate to swing. Tommy had made up his mind that he was swinging no matter what and it cost him and the team. Love him all you want, he made a bad decision and if he's smart he will learn something from it.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:07 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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But having a green light is not a mandate to swing.
This is what people can’t comprehend. Sure you have a green light to swing at a good pitch. But not that dog shite one that he swung at.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:08 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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But having a green light is not a mandate to swing. Tommy had made up his mind that he was swinging no matter what and it cost him and the team. Love him all you want, he made a bad decision and if he's smart he will learn something from it.
if he had the green light that's because he's trusted in that spot, but there's still the human factor, he was probably sitting on fastball and the pitcher(or their coach,) knew it and he got a breaking ball, if a pitcher grooves it ten times in a row to a hitter it's still unlikely that the hitter will hit ten home runs, or even get ten hits
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:18 pm to Broski
I have never understood the rationale of not swinging on 3-0. What is the likelihood and % that the pitcher throws a strike on the next pitch? Upwards of 80% I suspect. So, if it’s a strike anyway, why not at least take a shot at what will be a hittable pitch? I’m relatively ignorant but I will remain convinced until logical argument convinces me otherwise. I hope someone educates me and relieves me of this frustration of the hitter just standing there a watching a floater float by.
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