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re: The woes of the running game at LSU
Posted on 9/9/25 at 5:35 pm to Wes_man225
Posted on 9/9/25 at 5:35 pm to Wes_man225
There's a solution to this called the Pistol. RB gets ball with room to see and assess. Unfortunately other than Keiland Williams in 2007 ag/ Va Tech, i don't recall the Pistol being especially effective.
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:07 pm to redfishfan
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Twice.
I believe you.....
Except I'm watching the replay right now and have counted 2 on the first 2 drives. First play of each, one out of shotgun and one out of pistol.
ETA: 2 more on the long TD drive at the end of the 1st quarter.
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nd read option is just inside or outside zone with Nuss reading the end or the overhang. And I would hope our OC would tell Nuss not to pull it against La Tech. Just my opinion though.
Oh I'm aware. It's clearly why you keep confusing their zone runs with read options.
ETAA: I will admit they ran more mesh point RPOs than I remember.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:38 pm to 1609tiger
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The current scheme will NOT work with our OL play. Let’s see if our very well paid coaches can fix it.
Running more counter, which we did in game one, absolutely can work with this OL. It’s specifically geared toward using leverage and numbers advantages to open lanes. It doesn’t require a strength advantage. It just requires everyone doing their job, including the TEs and WRs.
The OL wasn’t perfect vs Clemson by any means, but they were much better organized and on their assignments. That was not the case vs Tech. They have got to get on the same page this week. If they do, we can have enough of a run game to keep UF honest.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:46 pm to Bayou
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More jet sweeps
There’s nothing wrong with 2-4 jets per game with the speed we have outside. It’s been working and it is, it creates a great eye draw for the defense every time a WR comes in motion.
It can’t be JUST jets, though. We didn’t run as much outside zone this week after using it several times vs Clemson. Weston Davis’ best blocks in that game came sealing the backside for cutbacks by Durham. That’s a perfect play for Durham and this OL. Then add the counter plays back in and you have multiple plays that don’t require the OL to open huge holes or hold blocks for a prolonged period to work.
I can’t tell you why we didn’t run much of the later two vs Tech, but I’m betting we see a lot of them Saturday.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:48 pm to RB10
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As best I can tell LSU runs very few RPOs
We ran at least 5 RPOs vs Clemson. 2 were pulled for slants to AA for first downs. Possibly more, but it’s sometimes harder to tell when the ball is handed off.
We ran a couple vs Tech.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:53 pm to misey94
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We ran at least 5 RPOs vs Clemson. 2 were pulled for slants to AA for first downs. Possibly more, but it’s sometimes harder to tell when the ball is handed off.
We ran a couple vs Tech.
Yeah I was wrong on the mesh point RPOs. They ran more than I remember, but it's still not a ton. They ran 5 or 6 vs. Clemson and another 5 vs. Tech.
I'd like to see them run more. Nuss is actually pretty good with them.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:56 pm to misey94
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There’s nothing wrong with 2-4 jets per game with the speed we have outside. It’s been working and it is, it creates a great eye draw for the defense every time a WR comes in motion.
They ran too many sweeps vs. Tech, but they offense went very vanilla after Nuss missed a couple of early shot plays, including the pick on the first drive.
The one thing that's been pointed out and is very true is if LSU brings Thomas into the backfield he gets the ball almost every time. It's becoming predictable. The one time they did PA with him Brown was wide open on a deep crosser and Nuss just overthrew it.
I'm guessing we will see more PA with Thomas going forward too.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:55 pm to RB10
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believe you..... Except I'm watching the replay right now and have counted 2 on the first 2 drives. First play of each, one out of shotgun and one out of pistol.
First play of the first drive is outside zone. Just bc Durham tried to run inside doesn’t make it inside zone. Notice the entire line reaching in one direction.
First play of second drive is either outside zone or duo. You generally don’t run IZ with a TE.
Also I’m sure you are confusing some duo concepts which we ran a good bit of with inside zone. They are easily confused. Also split zone looks a lot like inside zone but you use a TE/HB/WR to kick opposite of the way the line is blocking.
As I’ve stated over and over. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it is or isn’t happening. We also ran counter. We ran 3 end around. 2/3 sweeps. We were multiple in our run game but mainly used outside zone.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:09 pm to Dicken Nuggets
quote:Did you come up with that user name because your mother’s name is Nuggets?
So you're saying LSU's run game sucks. I agree. BK with another soft AF team for one reason or another.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:10 pm to KyrieElaison
quote:In I-Formation
Need a fullback occasionally
Pyburn would make a great Fullback! (Like the "TB Man" in this photo) And No, he didn't get enough carries.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:14 pm to redfishfan
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First play of the first drive is outside zone. Just bc Durham tried to run inside doesn’t make it inside zone. Notice the entire line reaching in one direction.
Wrong.
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First play of second drive is either outside zone or duo. You generally don’t run IZ with a TE.
Even more wrong.
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Also split zone looks a lot like inside zone but you use a TE/HB/WR to kick opposite of the way the line is blocking.
Split zone is just an extra blocker. It’s still zone scheme bro
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Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it is or isn’t happening.
Ditto partner
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:26 pm to RB10
Do some research and get back to me. Things have meanings. Everything I said is factual. Split zone just doesn’t mean you have an extra blocker. If that’s true than the first play of the drive is split zone because you have a TE involved. And yes generally speaking you run outside zone and duo with a TE and inside zone out of 10 personel. Zone blocking scheme and rules get so crazy complicated it’s unbelievable so just saying “it’s zone scheme” doesn’t scratch the surface.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:37 pm to redfishfan
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Do some research and get back to me. Things have meanings. Everything I said is factual. Split zone just doesn’t mean you have an extra blocker.
It’s a zone with an extra blocker to seal the backside at its surface. It’s still inside/outside zone.
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If that’s true than the first play of the drive is split zone because you have a TE involved.
The ran a mesh point RPO with a quick screen or inside zone split option.
Also, the notion that inside zone isn’t run with TEs is completely incorrect. Inside zone is as versatile as run as there is. It’s used in almost every personnel package.
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And yes generally speaking you run outside zone and duo with a TE and inside zone out of 10 personel.
See above. Inside zone is not exclusive to 10.
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Zone blocking scheme and rules get so crazy complicated it’s unbelievable so just saying “it’s zone scheme” doesn’t scratch the surface.
I painted with a broad brush because this is a message board, not a coaching seminar.
You busted in here and tried to get granular, and have done it with terribly inaccurate statements.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:39 pm to semjase
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Why are teams like Ole Miss, Oregon, Ohio State, etc so good at rushing from the same/similar shotgun formations? I agree with what you’re saying but lots of teams have shown they can have very competent running games in tough conferences.
They have competent OL Coaching and superior OL Talent! It's as easy as that...........
They have a quarterback who poses a threat to run. Defenses at least have to consider the possibility that the QB might not have handed the ball off to the one possible running back and, instead, is about to haul arse around the end.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:48 pm to redfishfan
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And yes generally speaking you run outside zone and duo with a TE and inside zone out of 10 personel.
Not necessarily. You can run OZ without a TE…the OL blocking and RB track are exactly the same as with a TE.
And you most certainly can run IZ with a TE on the line…pro teams have run IZ out of the I formation and single back sets since the 80’s.
Split Zone, inside or outside, is just zone with an FB/HB/TE blocking the backside EMOL instead of the QB reading him.
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Zone blocking scheme and rules get so crazy complicated it’s unbelievable so just saying “it’s zone scheme” doesn’t scratch the surface.
Zone schemes are actually very simple, especially inside zone. Where teams run into problems is trying the run zone plays with poor technique. Bad steps, weak combo blocking, slow reaction to LBs…that will all render zone runs useless.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:49 pm to RB10
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See above. Inside zone is not exclusive to 10.
No it’s not exclusive to 10 personel but that’s generally what you see. As I stated earlier. Generally not exclusive. And again when using a TE you GENERALLY are going to run Duo not IZ but they tend to look a lot similar in the outcome although the rules are very different. And you generally will run OZ using a TE more than IZ. My entire point was LSU is much more multiple in what they do in the run game that meets the eye. Just categorizing every zone run as “zone scheme” and basically the same is dumb. That’s like saying power and counter are the same. Yea you are blocking down, kicking, and wrapping on both plays but they are very different.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:51 pm to redfishfan
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No it’s not exclusive to 10 personel but that’s generally what you see.
Still wrong.
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And again when using a TE you GENERALLY are going to run Duo not IZ but they tend to look a lot similar in the outcome although the rules are very different.
Inside size is routinely run with TEs out of multiple packages and alignments.
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Just categorizing every zone run as “zone scheme” and basically the same is dumb. That’s like saying power and counter are the same.
I never said LSU only runs zone. I said the zone reads YOU think you’re seeing are just inside zone with Nuss giving a little fake.
I’m sure they’re outside zone too, before you try to argue semantics again.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:52 pm to iBack8569
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Zone schemes are actually very simple, especially inside zone.
You haven’t worked with some of the OCs I’ve worked with then. They had my head spinning with all the rules.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:55 pm to redfishfan
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You haven’t worked with some of the OCs I’ve worked with then. They had my head spinning with all the rules.
Did you tell them they’re only allowed to run inside zone out of 10 personnel? They probably looked confused.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:56 pm to RB10
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Still wrong.
Well I don’t do it anymore but I saw a good bit of zone scheme for 12+ years of coaching in HS and Juco. Of course sometimes you get IZ with a TE on the LOS. But generally speaking it’s Duo especially if the run is towards the TE side.
Maybe the game has changed that much in the 6 or so years I’ve been out but I doubt it.
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