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re: The outfield battle

Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:42 am to
Posted by WigSplitta22
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:42 am to
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rown is in the OF because he is much better defensively



No he's not but we can agree to disagree. He may be slightly better but "much" better he is not and hasn't shown that he is in a game either

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they are both typically i nthe lineup so your whole argument is extremely dumb here trying to bench Brown only as DH vs. righties while playing the worse defensive player in his place full time


I'm trying to get Larson more AB's and putting him in the outfield is the answer.

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Brown pretty much outperformed him a the plate through the fall and spring practices.



Are you really arguing that he performed better in highly controlled scrimmages so that means he is better? Kling,Cam Johnson,& Will Safford also performed well in scrimmages
Posted by sportsfan
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:45 am to
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I'm trying to get Larson more AB's and putting him in the outfield is the answer


Do outfielders bat more than DH's in a game?
Posted by WigSplitta22
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:46 am to
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Do outfielders bat more than DH's in a game?




He won't DH against lefties so yes
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 10:47 am
Posted by sportsfan
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:50 am to
That's assuming Frey can keep the DH job moving forward against lefties, which is still wayyy too early to tell.

Now if you want to argue that Larson should be in RF against lefties instead of Pearson, I'm all ears. But if Brown and Larson are in the lineup together against righties, I'd rather have the better defensive player (even if it's as marginal as you say) actually playing defense.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 10:51 am
Posted by WigSplitta22
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:51 am to
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But if Brown and Larson are in the lineup together against righties, I'd rather have the better defensive player (even if it's as marginal as you say) actually playing defense.



Agreed
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:54 am to
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Brown is in the OF because he is much better defensively, not sure how this is hard to understand.


Larson has had his moment of looking really rough but Brown hasn’t dazzled in the OF either.

He had a fielding error against UNC that put the game winning run at 2nd with 2 outs.

Obviously those moments stand out more than making routine or even good plays.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:59 am to
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No he's not


this is a really dumb hill to die on. Brown is close to being a CF almost with a big arm, Larson can barely pass as a corner OF with a weak arm. There is a definitely a notable difference in their defensive capability. Again, ask yourself why Brown continues to play over Larson in the OF itself, you think Jay might know what he's doing there?

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I'm trying to get Larson more AB's and putting him in the outfield is the answer.



He can see just as many ABs DHing, and he wont be a defensive liability in doing so. Again, if he continues to hit, he will DH, simple as that. He's not good enough defensively to play in the OF right now when you have Stanfield, Curiel and Brown and all those guys are producing themselves. If Brown or Curiel suddenly get in a bad streak, sure, Larson could be next man up in the OF.

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Are you really arguing that he performed better in highly controlled scrimmages so that means he is better? Kling,Cam Johnson,& Will Safford also performed well in scrimmages



What do you think Jay is basing his early season decisions off of? Why do you think Milam has been at the bottom of the order to start? Do you think none of these matter or something? Such a dumb take
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 11:03 am
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:01 am to
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Larson has had his moment of looking really rough but Brown hasn’t dazzled in the OF either.



The point is Brown is a superior defender to Larson here, that really cant be argued. He can get to more balls being a better athlete and he has a bigger arm. Because he made an error as a true freshman doesnt really mean anything in terms of who is better overall defensively. 1 guy is clearly favored in the OF over the other by Jay and thats for the defense. If Larson continues to mash he will be a more permanent DH and there's nothing wrong with that. If a corner OF starts to not produce much and Larson is continuing to produce, he could get moved to the OF then, but it's really weird to want to play the worse defensive player over better defensive players so long as the guys in the field are producing at the plate.

This team is absolutely loaded, specifically in the OF. Ultimately some guys are going to get left out some because we cant play 5 or 6 OF regularly who could all be starters. A lot of people think Josh Pearson shouldnt be playing much but Jay went with him a bit to start the season in terms of playing him at least a good bit and he got on base 6 out of 9 plate appearances over the weekend, so there's not a lot of "Bad decisions" he can really make.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 11:08 am
Posted by bradygolf98
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:17 am to
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If Brown could handle CF, I would put Stanfield on the pines.

Why do we have so many dumbass fans that want to put Stanfield on the bench as if he hasn't been one our best players to start the year?
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:19 am to
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thunderbird1100


I agree with your posts. I think we'll see Larson/Frey platoon at DH and Josh will be the utility guy.
Posted by johno71
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:30 am to
I agree, that is wild...
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:32 am to
Racism
Posted by WigSplitta22
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:06 pm to
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Brown is close to being a CF almost with a big arm,



About as close as Jared Jones is

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There is a definitely a notable difference in their defensive capability. Again, ask yourself why Brown continues to play over Larson in the OF itself, you think Jay might know what he's doing there?



I never said Larson was good in the outfield, i just said the gap between the two isn't as big as you want to believe.

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What do you think Jay is basing his early season decisions off of


Now it's what they show in games. You think he's still making decisions on who to play from scrimmage performances. If Jake Brown stops playing well you think Jay is going to say "but he performed better in the spring so i'll leave him in the lineup". Wtf are you even talking about?

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Why do you think Milam has been at the bottom of the order to start


So he can provide a spark at the bottom of the order . Now that Curiel and Stanfield are on the team there's not a need for him at the top of the order. You think Jay doesn't know Milam can hit?

Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:16 pm to
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Brown is close to being a CF almost with a big arm,



About as close as Jared Jones is


I feel like you're dwelling on his one error (albeit a huge error in a big situation) a little too much. Other than that, Brown has shown no signs that he isn't a solid defender. Even Hall of Fame outfielders have misplayed a flyball at one time or another.

But I'm on board with pretty much everything else you're saying.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 12:18 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:03 pm to
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I feel like you're dwelling on his one error (albeit a huge error in a big situation) a little too much. Other than that, Brown has shown no signs that he isn't a solid defender. Even Hall of Fame outfielders have misplayed a flyball at one time or another.


Bregman made a worse error on a bigger stage (in Omaha vs UCLA) as a true Fr. I can't imagine someone arguing that he shouldn't play SS going froward. He's arguably the best glove at SS we've ever had.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:29 pm to
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He's arguably the best glove at SS we've ever had.
Austin Nola was way better.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:43 pm to
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About as close as Jared Jones is




Brown started 12 games in CF literally last season. In case you weren't aware. Please show me where Jared Jones ever played CF.


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I never said Larson was good in the outfield, i just said the gap between the two isn't as big as you want to believe.



Except there's a definite notable gap. To the point again where Jay continues to play Brown in the OF over him. He has a much stronger arm, the guy is also a pitcher who can throw low-mid 90s. He also is very athletic, athletic enough to start 12 games in CF as a true freshman. Again, Larson would never play CF and his arm isnt close to comparable to Browns. There is a much bigger gap there defensively than you're apparently willing to admit, but it exists.

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Now it's what they show in games.


We're 4 games into a 56 game season

Jay is giving multiple guys a bunch of opportunities to show their stuff now so he start to try and set a lineup for conference play which is still weeks away. But the point apparently you are missing is yes, they absolutely look at what guys do in the fall and spring practice to determine who plays where to start the season. The reason a true freshman Curiel is starting and every game so far is because the dude tore things up all practice. Brown also did very good overall between both sets of practices. Josh Pearson got the start at DH in the 4 hole behind Jones opening day because Jay literally said he thought he was taking the best ABs in practice leading up to the season start. He is rewarding guys for how they look, we're 4 games into the season at this point, no permanent decisions are going to made today or next week for that matter. Heck, no decision is completely permanent as we see Jay adjust the lineup and who plays thoughout the season through the postseason. We have too much talent to rest on any 1 guy who isnt performing, we also have too much talent where inevitably some players wont play as much because we can only have 9 guys in the lineup with probably anywhere between 14-16 guys who could be legit starters at SEC schools today.

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So he can provide a spark at the bottom of the order




You think Jay put one of best hitters from last season at the bottom of the order for a "spark" against Purdue-Fort Wayne and Southern?

He's there because he struggled most of spring practice and missed a good bit of fall with an injury. Again, this is Jay using what he sees in practice and making a lineup accordingly, you know those practices that apparently "dont matter". This lineup doesnt need a "spark" anywhere, it's a bunch of guys who can hit 1-9. There's no Milazzos or Klings we have to work our way around this order. We've got a ton of guys who can hit no problem.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:53 pm to
I have a crackpot (and likely wrong) theory on the batting order in relation to the guys rotating in and out of the lineup.

Braswell and Milam are set in the lineup. By putting them at the bottom of the order, you're reducing the total number of plate appearances over the course of the season. By rotating OFs into the lineup but keeping them near the top, you're getting them nearly the same amount of plate appearances that you're giving the left side of the infield. It's almost a way to maximize the number of guys getting a lot of plate appearances vs maximize the plate appearances for any one guy.

It could just be because it's early in the season too. And it could be because Braswell is a known commodity and is good batting 9th and Milam needs to be able to relax a little more at the plate while he takes over a very demanding position.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:10 pm to
Stanfield and Jones seem pretty locked in and they're batting near the top
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
75833 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:13 pm to
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Stanfield and Jones seem pretty locked in and they're batting near the top


Well, it's a crackpot theory, so I'm just ignoring the very obvious ways in which it can be refuted.
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