re: The O line is simply not good

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Do you think we run the beat offensive scheme out there and our talent is just this bad?

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See, and IMO, I don't think the staff has the wrong idea about the direction. They're trying to do different things than SE did 20 years ago. I want multiple schemes. And we're trying that. We just don't have the best person to implement it. We need someone who has already been successful running it. It's been pointed out several times that what we're doing is old.

Our players are also not cohesive. That reflects on the person in charge of the offense. I don't know SE's coaching style, but it's not working. You don't see our players on the defensive side making massive mistakes like the OP stated about our oline. That reflects on the person in charge of the offense.

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Everyone likes the idea of “multiple” offenses till they are put out on the field and are a jumbled fricking mess.

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That's why it's important to have the right person teaching it. Bama has done it successfully since Kiffin went there.

I like the idea of being able to do multiple things. It's also important that it's used correctly.

But I understand the other side of it. I just think the most important thing is having someone who can call the offense to our strengths.

im A big Veer And shoot advocate.

It has power running, it has RPO, it has vertical passing game. it’s passing game is both explosive and simple enough that college players can learn it quickly.

It takes a lot of calls out of the 18-22 year olds hands and puts them in the hands of coaches who can remain st your program for more than 4 years.

It has enough facets to it that you aren’t fricked if a team takes away one thing.

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People are ignoring that we have

A west coast OC
An NFL WR Coach
An NFL OL coach who coached in a pro-style offense when he was in college
A RB coach from one of the last pro style offenses in the country.

And we’re trying to be multiple

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Boom

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6. What is more logical to assume: LSU over the past decade has just had bad luck recruiting good O-linemen, QBs, WRs, TE's, (while at the same time recruiting good defensive players), OR, the LSU offensive scheme (play design) is outdated and puts the players in poor positions and doesn't give them the best opportunity for success?

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Let me preface this by saying it’s the coaches’ job to recruit. But no, we have not had good luck at certain positions. Since the high water mark is Bama, let’s look at LSU vs. Alabama over the past decade:

Offensive Line
LSU has recruited two 5-star offensive linemen in the past 10 years (one of whom was kicked off the team). Alabama has recruited seven 5-stars in the same time period.

LSU currently has 12 offensive linemen on the roster (not counting practice squad) with an average 247 rating of 0.8966. Alabama has 17 with an average of 0.9374.

Quarterback
Ryan Perriloux is the only 5 star QB LSU has ever recruited. (Two if you count Russell Shepard, even though he played WR in college.) Bama has had 4. Georgia has had 5.

The highest rated quarterback (based on 247 composite ratings) we have recruited out of high school in the past 10 years was Brandon Harris. The second highest is Hayden Rettig, who transferred to Rutgers.. and then transferred again to Tennessee Tech. Third? Myles Brennan. Bama has recruited six QBs rated higher than Brennan (including three 5-stars) in the same time period.

Tight End
Les Miles didn’t really recruit receiving TEs, he wanted blockers. We’ve only had a couple of receiving tight ends over the past decade, and Foster Moreau was the only receiving TE really left on the roster at the end of Miles’ tenure. Moreau has been productive and a leader, but he was by no means a standout recruit - he was the #74 TE in the country out of high school.

Wide Receiver
Not sure what you mean about WRs. The guys that were expected to be studs out of high school have been.. well, studs. With the exception of Tyron Johnson (transfer) and Terrace Marshall (true freshman, so give him time).

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Nothing at this point in the season

But we could probably make a few schematic upgrades in the offseason.

Do you think we run the beat offensive scheme out there and our talent is just this bad

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I find it hard to believe that the offensive line is as bad as it is but it's bad. As far as scheme it depends on who O has his eye on.

The offense was going to improve quite a bit regardless. The least disruptive with the best dividends may be to hire Sean Salisbury to come in here and work with Steve.

I'd hate to see them go back to the drawing board and bring in somebody for three in a row.

Mr. Ed has painted himself into a corner with SE as OC. We will see the same frustrating offensive futility as we did this year. This will hold the team back as it has for many years. It is a failure to recruit enough good players AND a failure to develop them and a failure to devise the best game plans possible. For Mr. Ed it’s about him being in charge. Simple as that.