re: The Myth of LSU-Oregon 2011. Lee was terrible.

We hung 40 on our last 3 opponents. they didnt score 40 pts combined. that's dominant.

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Lee was terrible.

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JJ is worse

First real action he had seen since 2008.

He got better during the season except for Alabama but I believe he was looking over his shoulder knowing one mistake and jj would be in I'm really disappointed les did not put him in at halftime on 1/09

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Please just stop with "he got us" crap.

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I think he's referring to the first four games of '11 (Oregon, NWSt, MSU, and WVU). Three of the the first four games were non-home games against ranked teams (I think State was ranked). With JJ suspended, it was either Lee, Mett, or TrueFr Rivers.

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I like Lee, but he couldn't do shite against Alabama in four years of trying. He has no one to blame for the staff having NO confidence in his ability against Alabama but him.

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This isn't completely true. Lee threw a great TD pass to Byrd in '08 and was QB on a long TD drive vs Bama in '09. Also made a clutch 3rd and 13 pass vs Bama in '10.

Should mention that Peyton Manning never beat UF and Tebow never beat Auburn. That's only part of the story. While Lee usually played bad vs Bama what's the point in isolating one opponent?

Without Lee . . .
We lose to AU and likely Troy in '08 (losing season and no bowl)
We lose to UTenn, UF, and very possibly Bama in '10.
Who knows in '11?

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My point is simply to see the game vs. Alabama on 1/9 in a bit of a different light.

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It never should've been Bama in the first place. We beat them. On the road. That should've been the end of it. I'll go to my grave saying this.

That's why you play the regular season, so the wins mean something. I don't care how freaking good Bama is. We beat them. Bring in the next team in line. If it's a slaughter, then it's a slaughter.

Didn't stop Bama from being put up against an overranked ND team.

"But ND was undefeated!" Right, thanks to a botched call in their Stanford game that would've given Stanford the win and they also had to go to 3 OT's to beat a horrible Pittsburgh team. This is where I think the S.O.S. needs to count. The voters didn't seem to care about that being a slaughter. So why was it apparently different for LSU?

But Bama has a huge history so we'll make an exception.

Take the Nov. 5 game in Tuscaloosa. Keep everything the same, the stats, everything, just that we drop it and they win. Same score, all that happy crap.

The results of the games from there for both teams remains the same. Think we'd get a rematch? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

That's why the wins during the season need to count IMO.

Ok, enough of my rant. *steps off soapbox

I'm certainly not trying to defend bad play, only making the point that it is a flawed approach to assess someone's career by a single play, single game, or single opponent.

I cherry-picked some plays. You cherry-picked the opponent.

Lee's play vs. LaTech in '09 was the worst performance by an LSU QB that I saw in person. But his career was more than a single game.

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Lee is a cool dude and played some good games for LSU, but not against Alabama.

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2010. Both Qb's played well in that game.

And yet we know, for an absolute, undisputable fact, that JJ shite the bed against Bama on 1/9. Oh well, it was only the natty. No use in trying anything else to shake things up. If we did, and it did not work out, we may have lost.

I don't think anyone will tell you that JL was an all star. I also don't think he was even worlds better than JJ. But the team played for him. Look at our offensive production with him in the FULL game verses when JJ was in. As the season went on and JJ got more and more PT the total limpness of the offense quickly set in.