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re: The more you watch the reactions to the FSU snub….
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:34 am to themunch
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:34 am to themunch
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Bama and Texas played. Bama lost. Bama gets a mulligan. Texas has the honor of playing Bama again.
This exact scenario happened one year when LSU beat Bama in the regular season and lost to Bama in the BCS NC game.
Saban's Bama teams will always get special subjective preferential treatment, because he is the best CFB coach in over 100 years.
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Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:35 am to Champagne
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Saban's Bama teams will always get special subjective preferential treatment,
Exactly
Theres no objective reason to put Alabama in the playoffs over FSU. Its based on "feelings."
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Only if you include feelings and personal preferences.
That has always been a major factor in picking teams in this league and it always will be.
Been this way for over 100 years.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:36 am to Champagne
Thank god it’s going to 12 teams next season so this dumb shite will stop
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its based on "feelings."
Yes. I agree completely.
But, it has been this way for over 100 years, so, why are people surprised and upset?
I'm a huge Fielding Yost fan, you think I'm happy about Nick Saban stealing all of his thunder? No way.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:41 am to champj3
Fsu should be in over bama
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:42 am to 314stunna
I bet if that was Clemson and Dabo they wouldn't be left out because of the ACC. FSU was doing what Clemson was doing the last 10 years but the media let it slide because of Dabo/Clemson.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:42 am to Champagne
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Saban's Bama teams will always get special subjective preferential treatment, because he is the best CFB coach in over 100 years.
Bit of a self fulfilling prophecy, no?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:46 am to Champagne
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And I pose the question to the larger CFB base of fans - Why are some CFB fans not used to the fact that the 4 team playoff tournament teams are often selected by using very subjective and speculative criteria? Because CFB has always been this way. Always will be, too.
Because the means of establishing the national champion has been progressing for almost 3 decades to remove as much of the "subjective" out as possible. It stated with the BCS before moving to the playoffs.
What you have here is a committee setting a horrible precedent and using VERY subjective means to override objective data. Is Alabama, subjectively, the better team? Probably. But most would have said the same thing about Oregon and Georgia going in to last week's games as well. The bottom line is the committee felt Alabama would be a more competitive (read, entertaining) matchup than a FSU team with a backup QB. The likelihood of a blowout, non competitive game between Michigan v. Alabama was less than Michigan v. FSU. They chose the better made-for-TV matchup and tried to justify it on the back end.
Again, I THINK Alabama is the better team. But if you are going to say the result of the regular season matter...then they have to matter. Of course, I don't think the committee really cared about the backlash and questioning of their credibility they knew would ensue because with next year's 12 team playoff this would be a moot point. Both FSU and Alabama would be in. So they put together the most entertaining matchups they could
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:47 am to champj3
UGA about to prove the committee right.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:48 am to ElderTiger
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FSU’s biggest F/U to the committee is to put an arse whipping on Georgia in the Orange Bowl !
If im FSU I’m not playing in that bullshite bowl. frick the committee.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:49 am to Alt26
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don't think the committee really cared about the backlash and questioning of their credibility they knew would ensue because with next year's 12 team playoff this would be a moot point.
frick FSU and then point at the fricking to justify the new format
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:51 am to champj3
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The more it appears that the committee got it wrong. I wouldn’t want to have to defend that decision right now. Unfortunately, it doesn’t appear that they will have to.
The reason they got it wrong IMO is that they claim they wanted the “best teams” but they didn’t get the 4 best teams and everyone knows Washington and possibly Michigan aren’t better than UGA and they played Bama closer than any of them except Texas will. Ohio State would beat Washington too. They did this because Travis wasn’t there. They’d have more of a case if this were a tie breaker situation between Bama and FSU. But one team won every game on schedule, and I don’t think SOS should be factored in there unless they had lost a game.
I did read that injuries have to be taken into consideration in the CFP committee protocol, but, their 2nd string won 2 games, one against their rival, the 3rd string won the conference championship, and the 2nd string is coming back. I have no doubt that FSU would never win the championship with Rodegarden but I just don’t see how you snub a team like that. They never lost.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:55 am to champj3
At LSU, we've seen some incredible defensive units, and what we saw from FSU's defense in the ACC championship game was something special. On that performance alone, FSU deserved a spot. Louisville's entire offense consisted of:
- 50 plays that netted -8 yards total.
- A single coherent drive that led to a FG
- Just five other plays with meaningful positive yardage.
1. Louisville had 69 yards of offense in the 1st half, but 72 yards came on just 5 plays. The other 24 first-half plays netted -3 yards.
2. One of those 5 plays was a meaningless 11 yard run on the last 0:03 of the half, with FSU in prevent defense. Ignoring that meaningless snap, Louisville's offense had just 4 successful plays, and just 3 first downs in the 1st half.
3. Louisville came out of half time and mounted a single decent 12-play, 56 yard drive that led to its first FG. Five of Louisville's 8 pass completions came on that one drive. After that, FSU shut them down even more than they did in the 1st half.
4. Except for the 41yard run that led to the 2nd FG, Louisville's remaining 26 plays of the 2nd half netted -5 yards.
- 50 plays that netted -8 yards total.
- A single coherent drive that led to a FG
- Just five other plays with meaningful positive yardage.
1. Louisville had 69 yards of offense in the 1st half, but 72 yards came on just 5 plays. The other 24 first-half plays netted -3 yards.
2. One of those 5 plays was a meaningless 11 yard run on the last 0:03 of the half, with FSU in prevent defense. Ignoring that meaningless snap, Louisville's offense had just 4 successful plays, and just 3 first downs in the 1st half.
3. Louisville came out of half time and mounted a single decent 12-play, 56 yard drive that led to its first FG. Five of Louisville's 8 pass completions came on that one drive. After that, FSU shut them down even more than they did in the 1st half.
4. Except for the 41yard run that led to the 2nd FG, Louisville's remaining 26 plays of the 2nd half netted -5 yards.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:56 am to champj3
quote:this was bound to happen when the playoff is only 4 teams but there are 5 Power5 conferences. Someone always gets left out.
The more it appears that the committee got it wrong
It's absurd that we have had a larger playoff for decades. So fortunately, this is the only year that this can happen, to this degree.
Now sure, next year, some team will be screaming about being 13th, but that's far more tolerable than the 4 or 5 spot.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:56 am to WhoDatNC
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UGA about to prove the committee right.
Meh. Opt outs from both teams after missing the playoffs. Gonna be trash like most bowls now days.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:57 am to Champagne
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I'm not sure that I've made myself completely clear with you. Back when the UPI and AP poll picked the mythical NC, two or more teams often had the same W/L record. In those cases, the decision on who was the NC was almost completely 100 percent subjective.
and in every case, the results of games that already happened was the basis of decisions.
not if we think you can win the playoffs.
because if that's the criteria, then Georgia would be in instead of sitting at home.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:58 am to themunch
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That is a crock of bull honky excuses
Who cares? They got in the CG over Miami (who had beaten them) back in 2000. So screw FSU and their cry baby fans.
Play better teams, get a in a better conference.
Wanna prove it wrong? Beat UGA. LOL. Until that happens, shut up, FSU.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:59 am to TN Tygah
quote:so Liberty should be in the playoffs this year?
and I don’t think SOS should be factored in there unless they had lost a game.
UCF should've been in the playoffs in 2018?
Strength of schedule matters hugely in college football, when there's only 12 regular season game and very, very little cross-conference games.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:03 am to Locoguan0
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12-1 in the SEC with #5 SOS > 13-0 in the ACC with #55 SOS and a backup QB. If Travis was healthy, you go with FSU.
F the SOS
Strength of Record Matters
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