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re: The more you watch the reactions to the FSU snub….
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:37 am to champj3
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:37 am to champj3
The problem is people projecting their own feelings on a situation where feelings are irrelevant. We can howl about who deserves what but facts are "deserving" was never part of the process. Just a few weeks ago we were holding out hope LSU would make the playoffs based solely on the fact we were a better team at that point than we were when we lost to FSU or Ole Miss. That same logic applies to both FSU and Bama yet we're contradicting ourselves. FSU isn't the same team that beat us. They barely got by Boston College with a healthy Jordan Travis. Bama isn't the same team that lost to Texas. Jalen Milroe ended the season playing like a Heisman candidate. In essence one team lost a Heisman level qb mid season while the other team added one. Bama deserves to be in even tho I despise them.
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Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:39 am to 5iveEuax4eaux
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where feelings are irrelevant.
Its won with results.
Alabama got in because "feelings." FSU did it on the field.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:40 am to champj3
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The more it appears that the committee got it wrong. I wouldn’t want to have to defend that decision right now
Good thing for them is, they don't really have to
The fact they've already duped stupid sports fans into thinking expanding the flawed logic is the best fix is icing on the cake.
Nobody who is inept at their job improves the quality of their output when their responsibility is expanded.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:42 am to champj3
Can't deny Alabama deserves in - can't defend putting in Texas over FSU.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:42 am to Nutriaitch
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the committee just said “we can pick and choose whoever the frick we want despite what actually happened in the regular season”.
You are just realizing this in 2023?
Welcome to the party
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:44 am to Locoguan0
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12-1 in the SEC with #5 SOS > 13-0 in the ACC with #55 SOS and a backup QB. If Travis was healthy, you go with FSU.
NEXT MAN UP!!
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:45 am to 5iveEuax4eaux
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They barely got by Boston College with a healthy Jordan Travis.
LOL.
Bama barely beat Arky and AUBURN with a healthy Milroe.
Go ahead and use some mental gymnastics here to protect Bama.
Bama barely beat USF with their backup QB, while FSU beat two solid P5 teams, on the road, with their backup QBs.
Go ahead and use some mental gymnastics again.
The SEC doesn't rig all those games in favor of Bama for nothing. Once they get them their dubs, they then whine or beg their way back in consideration.
It is hilarious to watch this happen annually, then watch supposed LSU "fans" defend it.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:46 am to NorthSider72
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Can't deny Alabama deserves in - can't defend putting in Texas over FSU.
The same Texas that went to bama and won by 10? Really?
Are you an LSU fan?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:46 am to Lester Earl
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Hypothetically if there was a 5th team, it would be FSU, not UGA.
You really believe that?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:48 am to Lsu101205
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They moved the goalposts to shoehorn bama in, and it's disgusting.
Yes, but, why this has surprised and upset so many people is a mystery to me.
Once the mythical CFB Champion was decided by a 4-team playoff, it was obvious to me that a 1-loss or undefeated Alabama would always be in that tournament, even if some 13-0 team was left out to let Bama in.
All now irrelevant. There's a 12 team playoff now, and a 3-loss Alabama will always be in that tournament, which means that Bama will be in every single year because Bama never finishes the regular season with 3 losses.
I remember some sports commentators saying back before the FSU Florida game that FSU would have to blow out Florida in order to secure their playoff spot. FSU did not blow out Florida and here we are, they were right.
Maybe people are upset that Bama gets special treatment, but, as long as Saban is at Bama, that's how it's going to be. CFB loves Nick Saban because he's the best CFB coach since Fielding Yost.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
Maybe so. But my point is OUR feelings are irrelevant. So when you come here crying because the teams in the playoffs don't fit your criteria, you have to understand your criteria was never part of the decision making process at any point in time. The fact you think being undefeated means more doesn't matter. The committee is doing exactly what they said they would do. Pick the 4 teams they feel are the best. And it's funny to me that to invalidate the decision that was made all anyone has to say is "FSU is a better team than Bama" but no one actually believes that so we find other excuses.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:52 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Wrong.
Leaving Bama out would be defensible because they lost to Texas.
Leaving Texas out would be defensible (less so but still a valid case) due to SOS and a worse loss.
Leaving FSU out would be defensible because their opponents combined win-loss record is 77-79. Their conference championship opponent was 10-2 with an opponents combined win-loss record of 68-75.
UGA had 75-68 and was arguably considered one of the best teams in the country. OSU had 75-68 and Texas smashed them decisively.
FSU doesn't have the body of work, nor did they decisively beat their CCG opponent who also didn't have the body of work.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its won with results.
Alabama got in because "feelings." FSU did it on the field.
I don't know how you believe the things that you write. Alabama and Texas more than proved themselves and just as much as FSU.
If you think undefeated is all that matters, then put Liberty in. Not their fault they played the schedule that they did; they did everything right.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:54 am to Champagne
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Yes, but, why this has surprised and upset so many people is a mystery to me.
Bingo. In every thread where posters insisted Bama would be left out, I just laughed. My mistake was thinking they would frick over Texas.
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Maybe people are upset that Bama gets special treatment, but, as long as Saban is at Bama, that's how it's going to be. CFB loves Nick Saban because he's the best CFB coach since Fielding Yost.
Bama was getting this type of treatment well before this, as was Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, just to name a few.
Some programs are more equal than others. CFB will never change and 12 teams will only make it worse.
Every year from this point forward, these teams will need to lose 4 games, minimum, to be out of consideration:
Bama
Michigan
Ohio State
Texas
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
As soon as one of these teams above inevitably loses, and they will, they always do, the media bends over backwards to keep them alive in the race. Every other program falls and has to earn their way back waiting for other teams to lose.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:55 am to Nutriaitch
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but this now gives them free and clear authority to ignore the actual season that just happened and guess about the future instead.
Yes.
But, this element and factor in the equation has always been a part of picking the CFB national champion. Back when it was just the polls, before BCS, this was the main factor in picking the NC.
Folks who don't like this subjective stuff should follow English Association Football and how they decide Promotion and Relegation - it's on a point system and it is completely objective - no subjective equation factors at all. The BCS had a computer component and people didn't like it, mass media didn't like it (because they could not influence the outcome with their media products).
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:56 am to Inside the Eye
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You really believe that?
absolutely 100%
P5 conference champ, esp an undefeated one, gets checked off before you go to a conf runner up
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:56 am to 5iveEuax4eaux
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Maybe so. But my point is OUR feelings are irrelevant. So when you come here crying because the teams in the playoffs don't fit your criteria, you have to understand your criteria was never part of the decision making process at any point in time. The fact you think being undefeated means more doesn't matter. The committee is doing exactly what they said they would do. Pick the 4 teams they feel are the best. And it's funny to me that to invalidate the decision that was made all anyone has to say is "FSU is a better team than Bama" but no one actually believes that so we find other excuses.
My problem with it is that they said they want the best teams, no one in the country would say with a straight face that the other three teams are better than Georgia. It don’t say in their metrics that you have to be a conference champion to participate in the final four but I’m sure it’s preferred. By their rationale of choosing Bama or even Texas over FSU they are contradicting themselves in the same sentence by not putting Georgia in. So it’s the process that is flawed and obviously biased based on who and where.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:59 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Bama barely beat USF with their backup QB, while FSU beat two solid P5 teams, on the road, with their backup QBs.
LSU was the only soild power 5 team win that FSU had. They needed OT against Clemson, Duke ended up 7-5, and they barely scratched out a win against UF. Alabama and Texas equaled or exceeded the power 5 wins the FSU had. FSU didn't destroy their solid opponents.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:02 am to 314stunna
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It’s just too early for people to complain. If bama beats Michigan or wins it all then they got it right. If uga beats fsu they got it right. We’ll see.
The outcome of the decision is moot in judging whether the methodology of the decision was correct.
Whether Alabama wins or loses by 40 points, it has no bearing on the fact that the committee made the wrong decision.
Ignorant people parrot rhetoric like this regarding 2011, 2014 and 2017 all the time. Super ignorant people (aka Gump fans) take it to the extreme regarding TCU’s loss to UGA last year…forgetting that TCU was actually the 3 seed not the 4, and defeated previously undefeated Michigan in the semi-finals.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:02 am to Locoguan0
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Travis was healthy, you go with FSU
Why? It doesn't change the strength of schedule argument you've made.
So why doesn't strength of schedule matter if Teavis is healthy but it does if he isnt???
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