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re: The Final Series: A Series of Pictures
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:34 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:34 am to Tiger Ryno
Incredible that Miles can STILL fawk up clock management in hind sight. I agree with the OP. THE CORRECT CALL IS NOT CLOCKING the ball. Its running a pass play with the same personel on the field.
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Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:35 am to Lsupimp
How can you possibly suggest that spiking the ball for one final play was the best course of action, when you had time to run two plays?
Do you really follow this game much?
Even clocking the ball in this circumstance would have been severely criticized by any and all coaches when reviewing this game film. I'm, of course, referring to those outside of our own.
Do you really follow this game much?
Even clocking the ball in this circumstance would have been severely criticized by any and all coaches when reviewing this game film. I'm, of course, referring to those outside of our own.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:35 am to Lsupimp
quote:Run one pass play on third down then any play you want on fourth down.
Ok.
You know I'm slow.
Allow Your Humble Pimpness to ask the dumb question.
Isn't your assumption that two plays were needed/desired/wanted here erroneous ?
Wouldn't the better course of action been to have downed it with say 14 seconds, minus the substitutions,and had the time to line up for ONE WELL ORGANIZED final play ?
Two chances are better than one.
Even if the third down pass is incomplete with only one solitary tick left on the clock, the clock stops and you have just as much time to run ONE WELL ORGANIZED final play on fourth down as if you clocked it on third down.
Oh, and the best option would be (1) to leave Lee in on second down and (2) to have two pass plays called or a run play and a pass play.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:37 am to Sid in Lakeshore
What I took from that is that the end wouldnt have been nearly as much of a clusterfrick if T-bob didnt panic. Looks like we could have snapped the ball, had a shot at the endzone, and the penalty against UT
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:37 am to Prominentwon
quote:
How do you know he wasn't
I know because our OC didn't even have 2 plays called for him. Its clear to me that if this scenario was practiced sufficiently, at least our OC would have called 2 plays and made it clear to JJ what to do.
This is all independent of the fact that JJ is not capable of thinking on his feet in the situation.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:38 am to wahoocs
quote:
How can you possibly suggest that spiking the ball for one final play was the best course of action, when you had time to run two plays?
Were we able to run two plays? No. CLocking it would have alowed us to run a well planned and executed play, not the chaos we tried.
Obvioulsy a timely pass attempt on 3rd is the preferrable alterantive, however, clocking it is prefferable to what happened.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:38 am to Newbomb Turk
quote:Except that you coach is sending in players.
This should be done on pure instincts. Standing to the side of your line watching your idiot coach conduct a Chinese fire drill AS 20 VALUABLE SECONDS JUST RUN OFF THE CLOCK is just plain and utter stupidity.
For the same reason that Jefferson cannot clock it from 0:25 to 0:15, he can't run a fade pass to Toliver.
His offense isn't set, and by the time he could have gotten his offense set, substitute players were already running onto the field.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:39 am to pfunkTiger
quote:This.
NO NO NO NO NO NON NOOOOOOOOO!!!! with 19 seconds and 2 downs, you do not clock the ball and waste 50% of your opportunity to win the game. 19 seconds is plenty of time to have two plays if the coaches would have had it planned that way. Instead they run a different QB out there without two plays called and expect him to figure it out. Jefferson cannot think on his feet anyway. with LEE staying in the game we could have ran Ridley on second down instead of JJ and STILL had a pass play on 3rd down and a run play on 4th if need be WITHOUT CLOCKING IT>
The only issue I have is still in semi-agreement. Perhaps the coaching staff has so little faith in JJ's mental capacity that they believe he can't handle more than one play at a time. But why does it take almost 20 seconds to signal in a play?
As has been said, some offenses can run 3 plays (8 seconds each) or even 4 plays (6 seconds each) in the time it took us to run one botched play.
No excuse for JJ even being substituted INTO the game. None. Crowton's head should roll for this, since it didn't roll after Ole Miss, nor the Capital One Bowl. Ridiculous.
Knowing the track record, IF Coach Miles is retained, after this season, it should be a given, that he learned as he did with Chavis, and Coach Crowton will be replaced for 2011. Not that it does us any good NOW, but it's not productive, usually, to fire a coordinator midseason.
I'm optimistic that Jarrett Lee will work out some of his kinks (throwing off of the back foot) with a full week of practice taking the majority of snaps.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:40 am to just me
quote:
Even if the third down pass is incomplete with only one solitary tick left on the clock, the clock stops and you have just as much time to run ONE WELL ORGANIZED final play on fourth down as if you clocked it on third down.
Oh, and the best option would be (1) to leave Lee in on second down and (2) to have two pass plays called or a run play and a pass play.
I think you are so right here... but I have a question:
Once "the wizard" sets his mad plan in motion, and JJ goes trotting out there how is it, or is it, possible to put things back on track, actually get Lee back out there and run the two plays you mention in that 25 seconds?
I think not.. and that's why Crowton is and shall forever remain in my mind's crosshairs! He is a FOOL!
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:41 am to Tiger Ryno
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 10:42 am
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:41 am to just me
It was also really dumb to use your one running play on Jefferson at the end, rather than Ridley. As he showed on the final TD, Ridley has the power to drive a man into the end zone for the yard that matters while JJ goes down like he stepped on a banana peel.
It just boggles my mind that our coaches can still be so enamored with JJ's "running ability" when we have Ridley.
It just boggles my mind that our coaches can still be so enamored with JJ's "running ability" when we have Ridley.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:41 am to RedPop4
quote:
This.
The only issue I have is still in semi-agreement. Perhaps the coaching staff has so little faith in JJ's mental capacity that they believe he can't handle more than one play at a time. But why does it take almost 20 seconds to signal in a play?
As has been said, some offenses can run 3 plays (8 seconds each) or even 4 plays (6 seconds each) in the time it took us to run one botched play.
No excuse for JJ even being substituted INTO the game. None. Crowton's head should roll for this, since it didn't roll after Ole Miss, nor the Capital One Bowl. Ridiculous.
Knowing the track record, IF Coach Miles is retained, after this season, it should be a given, that he learned as he did with Chavis, and Coach Crowton will be replaced for 2011. Not that it does us any good NOW, but it's not productive, usually, to fire a coordinator midseason.
I'm optimistic that Jarrett Lee will work out some of his kinks (throwing off of the back foot) with a full week of practice taking the majority of snaps.
Good post.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:41 am to Prominentwon
quote:No, he's not looking at the sideline in that one split second frame. He is looking at the sideline for 99.9999% of the time.
He's not even looking at the sideline.......that whole sequence he was looking everywhere dumbfounded.
quote:And three players are on the field, just 20 yards away.
Look at his line and Clement! They're all lining up to stop the clock! Toliver is taking his first steps out to get lined up. His right side of the line is basically set already.....
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:41 am to wahoocs
quote:
How can you possibly suggest that spiking the ball for one final play was the best course of action, when you had time to run two plays? Do you really follow this game much? Even clocking the ball in this circumstance would have been severely criticized by any and all coaches when reviewing this game film. I'm, of course, referring to those outside of our own.
I agree that two plays would be the best option but clock management has not been a strong suit for this QB or staff. When has this staff or QB ever shown you that they can get two plays off in this situation either before the half or the end of a game. I can only think of one instance where they were successful but I can think of many where they were not. The conservative approach to clock the ball as soon as possible would have been the best option given their history.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:44 am to just me
Thank God it ended how it did because Jefferson probably would have thrown a pick or taken a sack on third down and then we would have never had a chance.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:45 am to OBUDan
quote:
I can't believe people are really so dumb that they needed this.
Tis true. Tis true.
Look at the inexhaustible supply of ignorance that litters this thread.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:47 am to just me
The problem begins and ends with the fact the Jefferson went on the field with only one play. The clock was stopped when he entered the game. They had time to easily get off a run and then a pass if the run was not successful. If the pass was incomplete, the clock would have stopped and they would have had time to run a 4yh down play. All clocking the ball would have done is waste a down.
What this tells you is there was no Plan B when the run by Jefferson did not work. That is on the coaching staff.
What this tells you is there was no Plan B when the run by Jefferson did not work. That is on the coaching staff.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:47 am to Tiger Vision
Thanks Y.A.
And this is why everyone is on the coaching staff's back.
1. Changing the quarterback with 25 seconds left to play.
2. Not having a play for him when that play ended, or having too much of a play. You don't start running substitution packages in at that point, when you have the wrong QB on the field.
You call something that can be successful with the personnel (for better or worse) who are already out there when the clock is running. And you call it DAMN quickly.
Coaching fail.
quote:
I agree that two plays would be the best option but clock management has not been a strong suit for this QB or staff. When has this staff or QB ever shown you that they can get two plays off in this situation either before the half or the end of a game. I can only think of one instance where they were successful but I can think of many where they were not. The conservative approach to clock the ball as soon as possible would have been the best option given their history.
And this is why everyone is on the coaching staff's back.
1. Changing the quarterback with 25 seconds left to play.
2. Not having a play for him when that play ended, or having too much of a play. You don't start running substitution packages in at that point, when you have the wrong QB on the field.
You call something that can be successful with the personnel (for better or worse) who are already out there when the clock is running. And you call it DAMN quickly.
Coaching fail.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:48 am to just me
All in all, I think most agree Jefferson should have never been put into the game at that situation. I don't understand why the play wasn't the the first down pass, a run with ridley on second, a pass on third, and then whatever they wanted on 4th...
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:48 am to CharlesLSU
quote:Of course, you're right. But that is the way of this board. Some people refuse to see the light. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
just me, just let it go. your knighting JJ is not going to produce any change of hearts.
quote:It's the litigator in me. I enjoy it. Well, that, and I'm right.
besides, it's getting weird how hard you are fighting everyone on this.
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