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re: The Final Series: A Series of Pictures
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:13 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:13 am to Prominentwon
If Jefferson had an IQ above that of Les Miles (i.e., double digits), when his moron coach called ONE PLAY with over 30 seconds left, Jefferson's first response should have been, "O.K. coach, if we don't make it, what do you want to call for the second play -- or being that it will be 3rd down, do you want to spike it to set up one last play on 4th down?"
Either one of these morons should have realized that you don't call the second down play with at least one additional play in the event you don't make it.
This isn't rocket science.
Either one of these morons should have realized that you don't call the second down play with at least one additional play in the event you don't make it.
This isn't rocket science.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 10:14 am
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Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:13 am to just me
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In any event, Hebert stated that he snapped it before he heard Jefferson call for it.
In that situation, given the crowd noise and the clock running down, the QB has to anticipate the snap the moment the players are set. There's no way around that.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:14 am to just me
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JJ was getting into a groove throwing the ball. He made some very costly mental mistakes, but his arm was hot.
Second time today that you have said that JJ was the hot QB at the time.
Now, I know that is a typo, but it is beginning to seem like one of those marketing videos where they drop subtle comments in commercials to make you your mind think something that is not. Nice try kiddo.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:14 am to just me
I agree with you, clocking it would have taken away a down, but if Tenn didn't have 13 on the field, we would have lost. I would rather have one chance then no chances. The issues were what happened before these plays. Delay of game penalty and then a timeout being called after the penalty. We could have used that timeout. I am glad they didn't rush the play, costing LSU the game, so in hindsight the delay wasn't all that bad, but the timeout after the delay penalty was. Lee at least looks like he knows what he is doing, JJ doesn't, but in his defense, there was no play called. The plan was to run the play, get the subs in and then run two more plays. I don't think you can do this with 25 seconds left and no timeouts, unless the QB knew the plays ahead of time and that was not the case.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:16 am to Prominentwon
quote:RIGHT THERE is where the coaching staff should be signalling in a pass play.
RIGHT HERE.......he's standing there like a fricking buffoon. RIGHT HERE......he needs to be lining his guys up to clock the ball........RIGHT HERE he's looking around with a dumb look on his face......RIGHT HERE......if he's lining up his guys to clock it, guys don't have time to subsititute.
JEFFERSON IS GOD AWFUL........
RIGHT THERE his offense is no where near ready to clock the ball.
RIGHT THERE three extra players are ALREADY running onto the field, only about 20 yards away, and will be on screen in 2 seconds.
RIGHT THERE is any number of penalties if he clocks it.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:16 am to just me
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I agree that Jefferson clapped before the ball was snapped.
Jefferson was quoted saying that he clapped and then was reading the defense when the ball was snapped. This underscores his lack of situational awareness trying take time to scan the defense when there is no time to operate.
Another reason for him to never be in the game in crucial sitations like that. I don't blame him though--its not his fault the coaches keep putting him in those spots when he has proven he can't handle it.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:16 am to Powerman
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This is true. What the frick is he even looking at?
He's watching the coaching staff frick up the game again. Saying to himself, "Oh shite, they're confused too. Why are more players running on the field? We don't have time for this."
I'm telling you, JJ sucks, but only because the coaching sucks worse. Coaches that make the right calls and make right decisions at end of games have QB's that make right decisions and win games. JJ has all the cards stacked against him with all the coaching blunders going on.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:17 am to just me
I don't blame Jefferson. I blame the staff 100%. There was not a second call if the QB keeper didn't score. Miles has admitted as such.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:17 am to just me
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Hebert took it upon himself to snap the ball with 3 seconds left, before he heard Jefferson call for it. Say what you want; however, players have to trust other players to do their job. Trust is a necessary trait of winning teams. We'll never know what might have happened in those last few seconds if Hebert had not had Ole Miss flashbacks.
we can assume that Jefferson would not have called for the snap because 1) He makes mental mistakes all the time and 2) he didn't call for it in a timely manner against Ole Miss. All the credit for getting the play off goes to Hebert.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:17 am to just me
Ok.
You know I'm slow.
Allow Your Humble Pimpness to ask the dumb question.
Isn't your assumption that two plays were needed/desired/wanted here erroneous ?
Wouldn't the better course of action been to have downed it with say 14 seconds, minus the substitutions,and had the time to line up for ONE WELL ORGANIZED final play ?
You know I'm slow.
Allow Your Humble Pimpness to ask the dumb question.
Isn't your assumption that two plays were needed/desired/wanted here erroneous ?
Wouldn't the better course of action been to have downed it with say 14 seconds, minus the substitutions,and had the time to line up for ONE WELL ORGANIZED final play ?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:18 am to just me
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JJ was getting into a groove throwing the ball.
The frick??
Did you mean Lee here?
The last pass JJ has thrown was an INT in the beginning of the 3rd qtr
This had to be a mistake right?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:19 am to Weaver
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I agree with you, clocking it would have taken away a down, but if Tenn didn't have 13 on the field, we would have lost.
This is all shite that should be done in practice EVERY DAY.
You have a second down play with time running out. If you call a running play (not a bad idea given our QB "situation") then, given enough time (which we had here) your first instinct should be to line up your players and throw a QUICK fade route. The QB should KNOW that you throw it to your tallest receiver with the best vertical leep (Toliver) and you put in in a position where ONLY he can catch -- realizing that you err on the side of throwing it away. You will then have fourth down to run a running play or passing play as it will be the last play of the game.
This should have been done in practice A MILLION TIMES. This should be done on pure instincts. Standing to the side of your line watching your idiot coach conduct a Chinese fire drill AS 20 VALUABLE SECONDS JUST RUN OFF THE CLOCK is just plain and utter stupidity.
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:20 am to Newbomb Turk
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If Jefferson had an IQ above that of Les Miles (i.e., double digits), when his moron coach called ONE PLAY with over 30 seconds left, Jefferson's first response should have been, "O.K. coach, if we don't make it, what do you want to call for the second play -- or being that it will be 3rd down, do you want to spike it to set up one last play on 4th down
EXACTLY!! Lee would have been thinking along those lines. Jefferson has no situation awareness and low football IQ. He has proven it over and over.
Ultimately, it is on the coaches though for putting him into those positions when he isn't capable.
And this is on CROWTON more than anyone. HE is calling the plays and running the show down the stretch. It was his idea to sub them out. ITS ON CROWTON>
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:21 am to Newbomb Turk
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Good Lord you have a lot of time on your hands.
quote:I guess you hate it when people post in-depth analysis that breaks up the banal whining on this board.
From now on, this is your Delta Tau Chi Theme Song.
Of course, it must really suck for you when it is contrary to you viewpoint.
In any event, I'll take it as a compliment.
Thank you!!
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:22 am to just me
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JJ was getting into a groove throwing the ball. He made some very costly mental mistakes, but his arm was hot.
just me, are you a retard? I know you're smarter than this. Getting into a groove throwing the ball? He was never getting into a groove throwing it
ETA: I never thought Jefferson was in the complete wrong for the end of the game
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:23 am to just me
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In any event, I'll take it as a compliment.
Is your last name Miles? You two have an uncanny delusional ability to completely misread a situation which is entirely clear.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:23 am to Tiger Ryno
not going to follow the JJ vs JL themes of this post but here is what I think. I'm Ok with subbing JJ with 32 seconds and running the ball. The problem is our playcaller as soon as he calls this play should be planning for what to do if he doesn't get in. With Lee on the sidelines I would be telling him as soon as I called the play for JJ, If he doesnt make it, as soon as he is down you and the three wides take the field and the play is "play X". With JJ down at the 25 seconds mark you can easily run on the field call the play line up and snap it with at least 10 seconds left so that you get 2 chances at the endzone. The problem is nobody was planning for what to do if JJ didnt get in.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:24 am to just me
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RIGHT THERE is where the coaching staff should be signalling in a pass play.
He's not even looking at the sideline.......that whole sequence he was looking everywhere dumbfounded.
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RIGHT THERE his offense is no where near ready to clock the ball.
Look at his line and Clement! They're all lining up to stop the clock! Toliver is taking his first steps out to get lined up. His right side of the line is basically set already.....
This post was edited on 10/5/10 at 10:25 am
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:24 am to Elleshoe
Im going to give him the benefit of the doubt there.. Im guessing he meant to say Lee.
JJ's last pass was an int.. If thats getting into a groove then I guess just me is a UT fan.
JJ's last pass was an int.. If thats getting into a groove then I guess just me is a UT fan.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 10:24 am to just me
If you are a student justme, I sincerely hope you are devoting this much time to your studies. If not, I have a job for you in media services.
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