re: The Final Series: A Series of Pictures

List of Mistakes:

1. Personel that has no chance of coming out of the game (5 down lineman and #1 TE) should line up right away and not turn around and be spectators. This is on the coordinator and shows a lack of preparation for this situation.

2. QB should be in the backfield, MAKING his team get down. Instead he is off to the left side of the line waiting. This is on the QB and QB coach.

3. If you feel that a play out of trips personel is the best call on 3rd and Goal (questionable). Then the coach on the sideline needs to have those 3 subs ready. You know the ball is going to be on the right hash. Players must be ready to go immediately and the conclusion of the 2nd down play. That means no buckling chip straps. No having to dodge random equipment guys and team doctors to run on the field. This is an organization issue that belongs to the HC, OC and all players and coaches involved in substitutions.

4. When the subs aren't ready to go in an adequate time, the OC should call off the subs and go with the personel that is there.

5. QB needs to take control of the situation when the subs come in. Tell the FB, third T and TE to get off the field.

6. What you are doing in shotgun on 3rd and goal from the 1.5 is mind blowing.

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Other mistakes:

Organization issues causing you to waste two timeouts in the second half.

Changing QBs at the goal line of this drive.

With the ball inside the 5 and only 2nd down, Ridley should have gotten the ball... Not Jefferson.

The main problem is your lack of organization. We have seen this at Tennessee before with Randy Sanders and Dave Clawson. Tell tale signs are delays of game penalties after a TV timeout. Formation penalties due to over substitution. An abundance of false starts at home due to exotic snap count changes and forcing audibles from the sideline.

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2. With less than :30 left and no time outs, you don't start running in subs, which wastes time. You call a play that can stop the clock IF it's unsuccessful. THEN you substitute.

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Yes. Absolutely!

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You're speculating on what Jefferson would have done after that - within the span of less than 3 seconds

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Well, at least were back up to less than 3 seconds rather than less than 1 second. I should probably rest there. However, in the picture I posted at 0:03, the ball is moving exactly past Jefferson and the clock says 0:03. Anyway, Jefferson had at least two seconds to call for the ball. He has just finished clapping his hands. It is completely reasonable to assume that he would have called for the ball with 0:02 or 0:01 left. If Hebert snaps it early with 0:02 left, Jefferson is looking for it.

Yes, I am speculating as to what Jefferson would have done. I am speculating that Jefferson would have done what he is supposed to have done.

I don't mean to trash Hebert. He had good intentions. Better to snap early than not at all. However, it would have been far better to trust his QB for another second (0:02) or two (0:01) and give his QB a chance.

Just me, just stop

There was no way we were getting off two plays. Running a pass play after the clock got past :08 was an exercise in futility. Spiking the ball and setting up with the appropriate personnel is the only answer




At this point in the game, JJs only option is to spike it. We cannot live off what might have been. The reality is JJ is not even lined up. There is no way we are getting off 2 plays at this point. Not with JJs windup, nor his tendency to run. The reality also is that the pass play failed, but Tenn screwed up. End of story.

We live to fight another day. But you can no longer defend the indefensible. Time to change your plea, and we might agree to a lesser sentence.

just me,

so what you're saying is that if jefferson was ready, he could have spiked the ball with 3 seconds remaining.

We can disect this all we want. This should have never been an issue, 4 Turn Overs and numerous drive stopping Offensive penalties. LSU should have stomped UT and never been put in this situation. Coaches are mostly to blame for this fiasco. Miles may have looked like a bafoon, but Dooley had to be the bigger bafoon to try and counter the subs.

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he should have clocked it knowing that the coaches didnt send him in with a 2nd play.

It wasn't his fault. And yes, they had time to run a play, but without one called, he should have got the guys to the line and spike the ball.


i didnt read this whole thread, im not sure if that was said. But that would have been the right move in that situation

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The staff could have signalled in a pass play with the personnel that was on the field. There was plenty of time to do that. That would have been the right move in that situation.

Jefferson has to check the sideline to see if the staff made the right move and were attempting to signal in a play. By the time he does that and before he could have gotten the offense set to clock it, subs were running onto the field.

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An undeniable truth of life is that you never try to outsmart common sense. Especially when you're not very smart. That is excatly what happened at the end of the game

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I read that, once again, Les Miles is saying that they need to "simplify" the offense. Whether that's for JJ or the entire offensive unit, I'm not sure. But, as confused as JJ and the offense seemed to be at the end of this game, I don't think they were any more confused than Miles and Crowton. Maybe they need to find a way to "simplify" the game for themselves.

It's pretty scary to think that football is just a little too difficult for the head coach and offensive coordinator to understand. 92,000+ people in the stands (plus millions(?)more watching on TV knew that there was not time to run in all those subs while the clock was running and that JJ should have been sent in with clear instructions on what to do if the 2nd down run didn't score: Line up quickly with the same personnel and throw a safe pass (no sack-no interception)on third. If incomplete, the clock stops and you still have the 4th down play to run at relative leisure. Too bad Miles and Crowton couldn't figure this out.

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(Note: Before the snap, the ball was placed just to the right of the hash marks. Jefferson's right foot is on the hash marks. Jefferson did not line up behind the LG or the LG-C gap.)

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Can we at least get you to admit you are wrong here? Looks an awful lot like the LG-C gap...

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Damn, you are not only dumb, you willingly accept a mediocre approach to a very simple situation. First, of all, after first down, they should have attempted to get THREE plays off, not just TWO. They very easily could have had plays on second, third, and fourth. They only attempted to get TWO plays off, and they completely fricked it up. They used 25 second to get third down executed.

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Your quote completely makes my point. Look at your quote where I highlighted in bold and then tell me that the correct thing to do was to try and get three plays off.

If you have a well coached team and a staff with a decent level of awareness along with a solid history of clock management then yes 3 plays would be the correct thing to attempt. However in this situation we didn't have any of those so the circumstances dictate otherwise. We should have clocked it to allow our slow thinkers time to put something together to try and win the game.