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The federal court will be tossed out w the quickness
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:47 am
This case will never even get to the merits of the case and because this plus Clemson has me unable to concentrate at work today, I’ve taken it upon myself to let my Tigerdroppings Family know how and why this federal case is going nowhere. It won’t even be heard. There are too many procedural hurdles the SEC won’t be able to overcome, which I describe below.
First, in plane English the two biggest problems for the SEC are the following:
A. Requested-remedy problem. If Jorden's injunction is what prevents the SEC from disassociating/punishing LSU, how does an injunction against LSU redress the SEC's injury? Eventually the federal judge will ask “Counsel, what exactly do you want me to order LSU to do?” and the SEC will not have a good answer because ultimately the claimed injury was caused by the Louisiana state court.
B. Circumventing state court. The SEC must show it’s not attempting to use the federal court to circumvent the ongoing proceedings in a state court. They’ve developed an overly cute stretch of a pleading to pretend that this is a separate and new issue, but at the end of the day their requested relief to that is the exact same relief they’re seeking in the ongoing state court proceedings. I don’t know how they get around this.
You’ll see these exact two issues present themselves throughout the following:
1. Subject-matter jurisdiction / Article III standing, Rule 12(b)(1).
The SEC has a federal question, but it still needs injury, causation, and redressability. The problem is that LSU isn't presently stopping the SEC from sanctioning LSU; the Louisiana court is. What can an injunction against LSUactually remedy?
2.. Failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, Rule 12(b)(6).
Even assuming jurisdiction, what has LSU actually done that constitutes unconstitutional compelled association? Recruiting/rostering court-protected athletes isn't self-evidently a First Amendment violation. The actual “compulsion” currently comes from Judge Jorden's order.
3. Anti-Injunction Act, 28 U.S.C. § 2283. Saw this mentioned elsewhere here and it’s correct. A federal district court generally cannot enjoin state-court proceedings except under narrow exceptions. The SEC has tried to structure around this by suing LSU and describing the relief differently. But if the requested relief effectively means “LSU cannot invoke/benefit from/comply with the Louisiana injunction,” this becomes a serious issue
4. Abstention / federalism / comity.
Even if the federal court technically can hear some version of the case, there's an already-pending Louisiana proceeding involving this controversy, the SEC appeared and litigated there, and that court has entered an injunction. Judge Axon has strong institutional reasons not to create competing orders or turn her courtroom into an alternative appellate forum.
5. Preclusion / collateral-attack problems.
The precise preclusive effect of a preliminary injunction is complicated, so I wouldn't oversell this one. But the SEC already litigated its claimed independent authority to sanction LSU before Jorden and lost at the PI stage. Changing the label to “First Amendment expressive association” doesn't automatically erase what was adjudicated in Louisiana.
Additionally there are issues regarding sovereign immunity and perhaps even personal jurisdiction that I won’t go into too much because it’s even drier than the above.
Look, obviously goofy stuff can happen in the courts and nobody can guarantee any outcome, but frankly I’ll be shocked if Judge Axon allows the SEC to make a mockery out of her courtroom and judgement in the way they’re trying to. I don’t care if she’s the biggest Gump in the world; a federal judgeship is a prestigious position that she surely worked very hard to achieve. Despite what most people think, judges of all stripes and political affiliation take their jobs very seriously and generally apply the law the best they can to their abilities. BLEE DAT!!!
First, in plane English the two biggest problems for the SEC are the following:
A. Requested-remedy problem. If Jorden's injunction is what prevents the SEC from disassociating/punishing LSU, how does an injunction against LSU redress the SEC's injury? Eventually the federal judge will ask “Counsel, what exactly do you want me to order LSU to do?” and the SEC will not have a good answer because ultimately the claimed injury was caused by the Louisiana state court.
B. Circumventing state court. The SEC must show it’s not attempting to use the federal court to circumvent the ongoing proceedings in a state court. They’ve developed an overly cute stretch of a pleading to pretend that this is a separate and new issue, but at the end of the day their requested relief to that is the exact same relief they’re seeking in the ongoing state court proceedings. I don’t know how they get around this.
You’ll see these exact two issues present themselves throughout the following:
1. Subject-matter jurisdiction / Article III standing, Rule 12(b)(1).
The SEC has a federal question, but it still needs injury, causation, and redressability. The problem is that LSU isn't presently stopping the SEC from sanctioning LSU; the Louisiana court is. What can an injunction against LSUactually remedy?
2.. Failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, Rule 12(b)(6).
Even assuming jurisdiction, what has LSU actually done that constitutes unconstitutional compelled association? Recruiting/rostering court-protected athletes isn't self-evidently a First Amendment violation. The actual “compulsion” currently comes from Judge Jorden's order.
3. Anti-Injunction Act, 28 U.S.C. § 2283. Saw this mentioned elsewhere here and it’s correct. A federal district court generally cannot enjoin state-court proceedings except under narrow exceptions. The SEC has tried to structure around this by suing LSU and describing the relief differently. But if the requested relief effectively means “LSU cannot invoke/benefit from/comply with the Louisiana injunction,” this becomes a serious issue
4. Abstention / federalism / comity.
Even if the federal court technically can hear some version of the case, there's an already-pending Louisiana proceeding involving this controversy, the SEC appeared and litigated there, and that court has entered an injunction. Judge Axon has strong institutional reasons not to create competing orders or turn her courtroom into an alternative appellate forum.
5. Preclusion / collateral-attack problems.
The precise preclusive effect of a preliminary injunction is complicated, so I wouldn't oversell this one. But the SEC already litigated its claimed independent authority to sanction LSU before Jorden and lost at the PI stage. Changing the label to “First Amendment expressive association” doesn't automatically erase what was adjudicated in Louisiana.
Additionally there are issues regarding sovereign immunity and perhaps even personal jurisdiction that I won’t go into too much because it’s even drier than the above.
Look, obviously goofy stuff can happen in the courts and nobody can guarantee any outcome, but frankly I’ll be shocked if Judge Axon allows the SEC to make a mockery out of her courtroom and judgement in the way they’re trying to. I don’t care if she’s the biggest Gump in the world; a federal judgeship is a prestigious position that she surely worked very hard to achieve. Despite what most people think, judges of all stripes and political affiliation take their jobs very seriously and generally apply the law the best they can to their abilities. BLEE DAT!!!
This post was edited on 9/4/26 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:51 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
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The federal court will be tossed out w the quickness
Given it was filed in ALABAMA, I’m not holding my breath.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:53 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
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First, in plane English
You gon trigger so many
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:54 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Given it was filed in ALABAMA, I’m not holding my breath.
Federal judges for the most part don't operate like that. It is a whole different world
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:54 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
good stuff
in the end they backed themselves in a corner big time by selectively complying with TROs, selective enforcement on what a professional is and what an amateur is so this was the only route they could take
I am with you, I think they get their asses handed to them
but lets say they win but LSU showed the rules are not clear....so then the SEC has to clear them up and either TRO overrules NCAA eligibility or it doesnt. This would essentially be saying, TRO from state court does not over rule SEC and NCAA rules and if that is the case...Trinidad is done.
So LSU really wins either way because even if SEC wins....they will have to clear up all rules and Chambliss is done, Alabama will be sanctioned for playing the G League player.
either way....LSU wins
and I still think all of this is not a good look for the Brand but its an even worse look for the SEC and especially Sanky personally.
in the end they backed themselves in a corner big time by selectively complying with TROs, selective enforcement on what a professional is and what an amateur is so this was the only route they could take
I am with you, I think they get their asses handed to them
but lets say they win but LSU showed the rules are not clear....so then the SEC has to clear them up and either TRO overrules NCAA eligibility or it doesnt. This would essentially be saying, TRO from state court does not over rule SEC and NCAA rules and if that is the case...Trinidad is done.
So LSU really wins either way because even if SEC wins....they will have to clear up all rules and Chambliss is done, Alabama will be sanctioned for playing the G League player.
either way....LSU wins
and I still think all of this is not a good look for the Brand but its an even worse look for the SEC and especially Sanky personally.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:54 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Given it was filed in ALABAMA, I’m not holding my breath.
Ironically makes the SEC’s procedural hurdles even more difficult.
Again, contrary to popular belief, judges especially federal judges generally are not a bunch of homer stooges. This is a very serious job and at any rate no judge likes getting slapped down by an appeals court, which Judge Axon almost certainly lynwoukd if she improperly allows the SEC to make it through these procedural barriers
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:55 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
Oh, and didnt even mention CRAD so not sure I believe ur an expert. 
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:57 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
I hope you are right. I am legitimately worried about the future of the program. Even if this took a year litigate and LSU goes undefeated and wins a championship, it would not be worth the sanctions that the SEC and NCAA are talking about. Maybe this will be the end of the NCAA. We already know they are a useless body now.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 10:57 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
not anymore. Liberal judges today are making a mockery of the judicial system, and there are multitudes of examples of it.
But, I hope you are right, but not holding my breath for any Gump decision to go the way of LSU.
But, I hope you are right, but not holding my breath for any Gump decision to go the way of LSU.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:02 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
A few points:
I believe it will be heard- it’s a near certainty. Sankeys ego must be protected at ALL costs - even burning down a member institution. But the SEC’s problem is pretty simple: LSU isn’t restraining them—the Louisiana court is. Calling the same dispute a First Amendment case doesn’t automatically give an Alabama judge authority to undo a Louisiana injunction. The procedural argument is real; saying the case is already dead is overstating it, baw.
I believe it will be heard- it’s a near certainty. Sankeys ego must be protected at ALL costs - even burning down a member institution. But the SEC’s problem is pretty simple: LSU isn’t restraining them—the Louisiana court is. Calling the same dispute a First Amendment case doesn’t automatically give an Alabama judge authority to undo a Louisiana injunction. The procedural argument is real; saying the case is already dead is overstating it, baw.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:05 am to Lsupimp
I don’t know how the case can proceed when there is no available remedy
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:07 am to QB
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not anymore. Liberal judges today are making a mockery of the judicial system, and there are multitudes of examples of it. But, I hope you are right, but not holding my breath for any Gump decision to go the way of LSU.
You have to separate what you hear on the news from the way the real world actually works. For example, you might be surprised to learn that the majority of Supreme Court cases are decided 7-2 or greater.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:09 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
Do you know how many times my own in-house Legal team has told me a certain situation is cut and dry and easily dismissed and then the judge brings up some random court case back in 80's that no one has heard of that moves the trail along and we have to seek further guidance from outside counsel?
Forgive me if I don't believe this being an easy dismissal. Especially considering the SEC has attorneys and judges in their pockets. They will find some loophole like judges and attorneys always do. This is FAR from an easy dismissal for LSU.
Forgive me if I don't believe this being an easy dismissal. Especially considering the SEC has attorneys and judges in their pockets. They will find some loophole like judges and attorneys always do. This is FAR from an easy dismissal for LSU.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:11 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
Excellent point. The SEC has to identify a remedy this federal court can legally give it that actually redresses its injury. If LSU isn’t restraining the SEC and the Louisiana injunction is, an order against LSU may accomplish nothing. No redressability, no federal case. Seems legit. But you know Alabama shitbaggery.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:17 am to Lsupimp
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No redressability, no federal case. Seems legit. But you know Alabama shitbaggery.
I will never underestimate Alabama shitbaggery. But the judge also understands that proper appeals avenues quickly remove the case from Alabama to an adult who isn’t a Gump.
Federal judges generally don’t want to look like morons.
But again, I refer back to my original disclaimer: no guarantees against goofy stuff happening. But luckily our system usually straightens those out
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:18 am to IM_4_LSU
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Do you know how many times my own in-house Legal team has told me a certain situation is cut and dry and easily dismissed and then the judge brings up some random court case back in 80's that no one has heard of that moves the trail along and we have to seek further guidance from outside counsel?
As said, can never guarantee this won’t happen and I’m surprised any lawyer would ever try to make that claim
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:23 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
As it should. This is ridiculous.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:31 am to Fun Bunch
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Federal judges for the most part don't operate like that. It is a whole different world
Exactly this isn’t traffic court with Judge Roy Bean.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:32 am to Fun Bunch
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Federal judges for the most part don't operate like that. It is a whole different world
See all the ones that keep ruling against Trump and get overturned.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 11:33 am to Obi Wan Ryobi
The question of jurisdiction (why litigated in Alabama if it's a federal case) is interesting.
I'm really curious about SEC citing/filing as a 1st Amendment issue. SEC is not a person nor a corporation.
Obviously, I'm not a lawyer. Just basing this off of what AG Murrill and Tony Clayton's comments were
I'm really curious about SEC citing/filing as a 1st Amendment issue. SEC is not a person nor a corporation.
Obviously, I'm not a lawyer. Just basing this off of what AG Murrill and Tony Clayton's comments were
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