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re: the 800 pound gorilla with a chainsaw for a penis
Posted on 8/23/18 at 12:22 am to MastrShake
Posted on 8/23/18 at 12:22 am to MastrShake
You can't credit miles for JaMarcus Russell. He was recruited by Saban, and developed by Saban assistant coaches. We've seen how good qbs are that miles touched.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 12:33 am to jgriffith
With all that said, we have 2 titles in the past 15 football seasons. I can remember during the late Archer days and Hallman days that I wished we could just have a winning season or hell even going 5-5 would have been sweet.
Now those 2 titles should have company with the 2006 team and of course 2011. Miles stubbornness was showing, but I never forgot when he let Tenn come back from a 21-0 lead in Tiger Stadium where he went into victory formation in the second quarter.
I went to that game in 2006 at Auburn and the 7-3 shite show final score. AU had 153 total yards and won. Miles helped them win trying to pound a hurt A. Broussard and Justin Vincent (Avg 1.2 YPC) when you had J. Russell and stud WR in Dwane Bowe, Early Doucet, Craig Davis, and Brandon Lafell?? 4 future NFL WR and a NFL QB with a cannon and you run the Cloud of Dust Offense!! Those 2 pass interference calls will always haunt me, esp the one where our WR was tackled yet the refs pick it up for the ball being tipped just in front of the play. We have been fine and should have 4 titles and Miles could have claimed 3 of them. Heck 2013 was also good but that is when his recruiting started leaking and the Def could not help Mett and the great WR's Odell/Landry.
We will be that Gorilla again and soon. O is recruiting good enough and replenished our lines and needs to get the OL on the same DL level. We have playmakers all over the defense and will be nasty. Kudos and getting Burrow as that is 2 wins maybe 3 better than the other QB could have done, which makes a 8-4 season be a 10-2 or 11-1 season... I sure hope so!!!
Now those 2 titles should have company with the 2006 team and of course 2011. Miles stubbornness was showing, but I never forgot when he let Tenn come back from a 21-0 lead in Tiger Stadium where he went into victory formation in the second quarter.
I went to that game in 2006 at Auburn and the 7-3 shite show final score. AU had 153 total yards and won. Miles helped them win trying to pound a hurt A. Broussard and Justin Vincent (Avg 1.2 YPC) when you had J. Russell and stud WR in Dwane Bowe, Early Doucet, Craig Davis, and Brandon Lafell?? 4 future NFL WR and a NFL QB with a cannon and you run the Cloud of Dust Offense!! Those 2 pass interference calls will always haunt me, esp the one where our WR was tackled yet the refs pick it up for the ball being tipped just in front of the play. We have been fine and should have 4 titles and Miles could have claimed 3 of them. Heck 2013 was also good but that is when his recruiting started leaking and the Def could not help Mett and the great WR's Odell/Landry.
We will be that Gorilla again and soon. O is recruiting good enough and replenished our lines and needs to get the OL on the same DL level. We have playmakers all over the defense and will be nasty. Kudos and getting Burrow as that is 2 wins maybe 3 better than the other QB could have done, which makes a 8-4 season be a 10-2 or 11-1 season... I sure hope so!!!
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 12:36 am
Posted on 8/23/18 at 12:37 am to teeMike
quote:At some point in the 3rd I picked up one of my dining room chairs like Pete Townshend with a guitar and smashed the frick out of it. And these were VERY expensive chairs, so I understand your frustration, I really really do, but the more you think about this...
Everything about your post was spot on except for this observation. Miles simply did not make adjustments. It was the most frustrating 60 minutes of football I’ve ever watched. ZERO adjustments. Astonishing.
quote:the more insane you realize it is. We didnt lose, bama cheated.
Kirby Smart says Gregg Williams of Saints helped w plan to contain option plays
1. As I already said, Williams is an NFL lifer, it's likely he had never even seen the option in a game he was coaching, what possible new insight could he have to stop it?
2. But let's pretend he did have some ideas. Does nick saban seem like the kind of guy to take that advice? Williams has never worked with saban. Or Kirby Smart. Or Bill Belichick, for that matter. I cant find any professional connection between them, yet saban is gonna build his NCG game plan around the advice of a stranger? Does that seriously sound like nick saban?
3. Oh, and by the way, he didn't need any advice. I think we can all agree that Jordan Jefferson wasn't exactly Tommie Frazier, and saban already knew him very well. By the NCG, he had seen Jordan in 2009, 2010, and 2011. In those three games he ran for 86 yards, combined.
saban didn't need help with the option, and Williams couldn't provide help with the option, but as DC for the Saints, Williams was able to watch LSU practice in the dome, so he did have something saban could use.
Our signals.
Look at every other Miles vs Saban game at the time and there is nothing even close to the 2011 NCG. The games were always tight, LSU always moved the ball and always scored.
2007 - LSU wins 41-34. LSU has 407 yards passing, 87 rushing.
2008 - bama wins 27-21. LSU has 184 yards passing, 201 rushing
2009 - bama wins 24-15. LSU has 185 yards passing, 95 rushing.
2010 - LSU wins 24-21. LSU has 220 yards passing, 225 rushing.
2011 - LSU wins 9-6. LSU has 91 yards passing, 148 rushing.
2011 NCG - bama wins 21-0. LSU had 39 yards passing, 53 rushing.
2012 - bama wins 21-17. LSU had 296 yards passing, 139 rushing.
2013 - bama wins 38-17. LSU had 241 yards passing, 43 yards rushing.
2014 - bama wins 20-13 in OT. LSU had 76 yards passing, 183 rushing.
There's one obvious outlier there. One game. The NCG.
Kirby Smart, by his own admission, met with a guy who had watched us practice, and that guy told him how to stop us. The result was the one and only game where LSU suddenly couldn't even breath on offense.
It was a complete shutdown. You know, as if bama knew exactly what was coming.
and despite the score, our defense was essentially just as good as it was in the first game.
in the regular season game, bama missed FGs because they were a mile away. they missed from 44, 50, 49, and 52.
in the NCG, they were much closer. thats what stealing signals does, when the other offense cant move, you get the ball back at midfield. this time they made FGs from 23, 34, 41, 35, and 44.
with 5 minutes to go in the game it was 15-0 and they still had nothing but FGs. field position was everything.
But is Gregg Williams the kind of guy who would do such a thing?
Well he's the same guy who brought HIS bounty system to the Saints, the same one he had in DC and Buffalo, and then INSTANTLY rolled over and told the NFL everything they wanted to hear so he could get off light. As a side note, helping saban would definitely be a good way to get in tight with Belichick, a huge plus for any NFL defensive coach.
And how about saban? Is he the kind of guy who would take signals? You know, the exact thing his mentor Belechik did in Spygate when he recorded the Jets practice? The same nick saban who, by shocking coincidence, reportedly recorded Oklahoma when they practiced in the Dome before the 2003 NCG? The same nick saban who hired an GA from Ole Miss and then had him him in the booth scouting the other teams signals for exactly one game (try and guess what game it was).
Is he the kind of guy to steal signals?
The answer to all these questions are "frick" and "yes".
If all you see is "LSU lost the NC because bama stole their signals", yes, it sounds like obvious pouting, but once you understand what Williams did and why it makes no sense on any level, it's not pouting, we got fricked.
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 8:07 am
Posted on 8/23/18 at 12:47 am to JRBayoutiger
quote:well he was developed by Jimbo, and we all know how good he is with QBs, but my point was simply how things looked at the time, not in hindsight.
You can't credit miles for JaMarcus Russell. He was recruited by Saban, and developed by Saban assistant coaches. We've seen how good qbs are that miles touched
Posted on 8/23/18 at 12:50 am to MastrShake
quote:
he simply wanted to try the NFL, and when that didnt work,
He dismissed the questions that always came up about this by mentioning how difficult the NFL professionals would be to coach his way.
That’s what made the whole thing infuriating
Honestly if the way Saban runs his program is what it takes to win at the highest level now, I’m not that interested anymore
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 12:53 am
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:40 am to MastrShake
Definitely some bad luck involved in the Bama series, but they didn't make us fire les and hire O
And I'm no conspiracy theorist, but your breakdown of the Gregg Williams tweet is interesting and well thought out
And I'm no conspiracy theorist, but your breakdown of the Gregg Williams tweet is interesting and well thought out
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 1:50 am
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:26 am to MastrShake
Another one caught up in the August Hype.
SSDY
SSDY
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:31 am to MastrShake
This thread is by far and away the best thread I’ve read on this site. Even though I’ve only been reading TD for a couple of months (and this is my first post), it’s been refreshing to read insightful analysis of our great team. Geaux Tigers from Sydney Australia!
Next thing is to try and work out how to insert that little yellow guy who holds up the purple “Geaux Tigers” sign.
Next thing is to try and work out how to insert that little yellow guy who holds up the purple “Geaux Tigers” sign.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:33 am to MastrShake
You speak the truth, my faithful indian companion...
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:46 am to PillPusher
I probably could have dug it if I could have read it all.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:47 am to Dubaitiger
quote:
We will be that Gorilla again and soon. O is recruiting good enough and replenished our lines
I get it. You hate Miles. We will never be that gorilla again with O at the helm.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:48 am to MastrShake
Jimbo wasn't very good with his backup qbs last year was he?
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:52 am to MastrShake
See, this is the king of optimism I can get behind. No false pumping up. No conflating of meaningless stats. No denigrating of people with rational concerns or differences of opinions.
Just good old "There may be issues but we're LS frickin U! I don't care what you think, I believe!".
Well Done, sir, well don!
Just good old "There may be issues but we're LS frickin U! I don't care what you think, I believe!".
Well Done, sir, well don!
Posted on 8/23/18 at 6:10 am to MastrShake
This is a really well thought out post. And nothing against you, but the fact that 1/9/12 hangs over this program all these years later is just stunning. EVERYONE NEEDS TO MOVE ON. They have beaten us every year since. It is a hump we will never get over.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 6:17 am to MastrShake
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ever since then its as if everything that could go wrong has, but this shite cannot last forever, it simply cant
I can tell you were not living from 1989-99 then!
Maybe not 'forever" but it can sure last a decade....
Posted on 8/23/18 at 6:21 am to MastrShake
quote:
no one in America can even come close to the embarrassing level of talent that we have
Posted on 8/23/18 at 6:23 am to MastrShake
Sadly, I believe this conspiracy theory has weight. You watch the first game, and then compare to the BCS game, and you can see the following:
Bama made some adjustments, but still couldn't move much against our defense. Like you point out, it was still a 2 possession game with 5 minutes to go.
Meanwhile, their defense was in 100% perfect position on just about every single play. We couldn't drive the ball 25, 30 yds on any series. If we get one or two drives that get us field goals, the game is a repeat of the prior matchup... we get some points, and Bama loses field position and doesn't get points on those drives. They might still win, but it doesn't look so lopsided in the final result.
Bama made some adjustments, but still couldn't move much against our defense. Like you point out, it was still a 2 possession game with 5 minutes to go.
Meanwhile, their defense was in 100% perfect position on just about every single play. We couldn't drive the ball 25, 30 yds on any series. If we get one or two drives that get us field goals, the game is a repeat of the prior matchup... we get some points, and Bama loses field position and doesn't get points on those drives. They might still win, but it doesn't look so lopsided in the final result.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 6:28 am to MastrShake
bad luck and the rock-hard head of Les Miles refusing to advance the team into modern offensive philosophies.
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