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re: Takeaways from the Shriner's Tourney
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:49 am to Choupique19
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:49 am to Choupique19
quote:I agree with this and have argued as much after the UNO game. But I don't think that was the case here. What reason would there have been to have Newman going already at the START of the 7th? Had Walker started that innings, gotten in trouble, and Peterson come in to stop a rally, I would have wanted another pitcher ready to go in case Peterson couldn't get the job done, but I don't have a problem with when TP was pulled. Hell, Newman gave up the two big hits.
This is a constant problem with Mainieri. We never get guys up in the pen until trouble has started.
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:50 am to ell_13
quote:
frederik
I hear he has really bad control issues (just ask Deichmann).
If he wasn't given a chance to throw an inning with big leads in a few past games, I'm not sure when we'll see him. I'd give future opportunities to Bush, Reese and Beck first.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:52 am to geauxtigers33
quote:
Why would you save one of your better arms for a meaningless midweek game during conference play?
I just think they want to continue to develop him as a starter, extending him and working on things that will allow him to pitch longer in games.
Going in for a relief appearance and airing it out is inconsistent with that development track.
I see the point about it being his bullpen day anyway, I just don't think they want to give him conflicting objectives in alternating appearances.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:53 am to josh336
quote:
think we need to develop a lefty out of the pen, whether its bush or frederik
I'd like to see a lefty too.
It doesn't look like that will happen. These guys may not be on the travel roster come SEC time.
Bush has thrown 0.2 innings and Frederick may be in the "you-hit-Deichmann" doghouse.
ell, good job with your thoughtful analysis.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:56 am to ell_13
I thought PM left Peterson too long. After three hitters, it was easy to see it wasn't his day.
I was really perplexed about pap Friday night. He was doing well up until Friday's game. Hopefully it was just a bad day at the office. We need him to be a rock behind the plate, a threat to throw out base stealers and hit around 260 and minimize the Ks.
I was very disappointed in Newman. Your closer is there to stop the bleeding and he failed to do that.
He was up and down his two plus innings. Maybe he's not use to the work? Hitting the guy to start the ninth was a rookie mistake.
What did you think of PM walking the right handed batter in the ninth v TT with two outs to get to the lefty? That was unorthodox. I'd like to know his thinking right there. Normally a good curve baller would do better v a rightie plus loading the bases lets TT score on a HBP, or a walk.
Smith failed the test this weekend while Slaughter passed. That's something to watch.
And PM played a hunch, sat Worley, and went with the veteran Romero which seemed to pay off.
This weekend pointed out the lack of a situational leftie out of the pen. It was a problem in both the games that we lost. I'd like to see Bush come around.
And do you think Gilbert going in when we were ahead 4-0 was planned? I think Peterson there (with a large lead) and Gilbert v TT was a better move. I'm guessing PM scripted that. You?
Also with Watson being burned, Beau Jordan was the best we had to pinch run for Worley in the TT game. Not good, it would be nice to have another athlete with some speed on the bench.
ETA, don't leave out Reynolds, he had a better line score than Bain had.
I was really perplexed about pap Friday night. He was doing well up until Friday's game. Hopefully it was just a bad day at the office. We need him to be a rock behind the plate, a threat to throw out base stealers and hit around 260 and minimize the Ks.
I was very disappointed in Newman. Your closer is there to stop the bleeding and he failed to do that.
He was up and down his two plus innings. Maybe he's not use to the work? Hitting the guy to start the ninth was a rookie mistake.
What did you think of PM walking the right handed batter in the ninth v TT with two outs to get to the lefty? That was unorthodox. I'd like to know his thinking right there. Normally a good curve baller would do better v a rightie plus loading the bases lets TT score on a HBP, or a walk.
Smith failed the test this weekend while Slaughter passed. That's something to watch.
And PM played a hunch, sat Worley, and went with the veteran Romero which seemed to pay off.
This weekend pointed out the lack of a situational leftie out of the pen. It was a problem in both the games that we lost. I'd like to see Bush come around.
And do you think Gilbert going in when we were ahead 4-0 was planned? I think Peterson there (with a large lead) and Gilbert v TT was a better move. I'm guessing PM scripted that. You?
Also with Watson being burned, Beau Jordan was the best we had to pinch run for Worley in the TT game. Not good, it would be nice to have another athlete with some speed on the bench.
ETA, don't leave out Reynolds, he had a better line score than Bain had.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 10:07 am
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:57 am to ProjectP2294
quote:I think if we still had Norman or AC, I would support this approach. But without them, you're running out of reliable bullpen guys.
I see the point about it being his bullpen day anyway, I just don't think they want to give him conflicting objectives in alternating appearances.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:58 am to josh336
I'd like Slaughter in the 2 hole. I really don't like Duplantis there at all. Need a little more pop in that spot.
1. Freeman 2B
2. Slaughter 1B
3. Robertson SS
4. Deichmann RF
5. Romero (or Woley) DH
6. Watson or Breaux LF
7. Coomes C
8. Smith 3B
9. Duplantis CF
1. Freeman 2B
2. Slaughter 1B
3. Robertson SS
4. Deichmann RF
5. Romero (or Woley) DH
6. Watson or Breaux LF
7. Coomes C
8. Smith 3B
9. Duplantis CF
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:00 am to GeismarGeauxer
Why the choice of Peterson? Why didn't go directly to Newman - what's is he saving him for - later?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:01 am to doubleb
quote:
What did you think of PM walking the right handed batter in the ninth v TT with two outs to get to the lefty? That was unorthodox. I'd like to know his thinking right there. Normally a good curve baller would do better v a rightie plus loading the bases lets TT score on a HBP, or a walk.
Put a force at every base the runner at first means nothing. It really is the right baseball play. Newman is good against lefties and righties. Most importantly if he doesn't kick the ball Kramer prolly makes a play and the game goes to extra.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:01 am to Jmwtigre
quote:
what's is he saving him for - later?
Yes, thats kinda what you do with closers
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:02 am to doubleb
quote:I mean, I agree, but he got the 4th guy out, so...
I thought PM left Peterson too long. After three hitters, it was easy to see it wasn't his day.
quote:Agreed.
I was very disappointed in Newman. Your closer is there to stop the bleeding and he failed to do that.
He was up and down his two plus innings. Maybe he's not use to the work? Hitting the guy to start the ninth was a rookie mistake.
quote:Pro: You walk the good hitter to get to the bad hitter. Con: A walk to the next guy loses the game.
What did you think of PM walking the right handed batter in the ninth v TT with two outs to get to the lefty? That was unorthodox. I'd like to know his thinking right there. Normally a good curve baller would do better v a rightie plus loading the bases lets TT score on a HBP, or a walk.
If Newman doesn't go into soccer mode, the inning is over. He's a groundball pitcher and he got what he wanted.
quote:Agreed.
This weekend pointed out the lack of a situational leftie out of the pen. It was a problem in both the games that we lost. I'd like to see Bush come around.
quote:I think you go for the win at that point and you do it during SEC too. I liked going with Gilbert.
And do you think Gilbert going in when we were ahead 4-0 was planned? I think Peterson there (with a large lead) and Gilbert v TT was a better move. I'm guessing PM scripted that. You?
quote:I would have died if we had put in Strall to run. That's the only comment I have here...
Also with Watson being burned, Beau Jordan was the best we had to pinch run for Worley in the TT game. Not good, it would be nice to have another athlete with some speed on the bench.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:02 am to ell_13
quote:
With TP, he started the 7th and he's young. I have no problem with how he was handled, because I think 8 times out of 10, he's got good enough stuff to get out of that situation.
I think this is spot on.
Now some might argue not even bringing in Peterson there because of his age, but I'd ask who the hell else did we have to bring in....Strall
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:03 am to doubleb
quote:
I was very disappointed in Newman. Your closer is there to stop the bleeding and he failed to do that. He was up and down his two plus innings. Maybe he's not use to the work? Hitting the guy to start the ninth was a rookie mistake.
All of this is a legit concern IMO.
I'm not sure what was going on with Newman there....he didn't seem to have it.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:03 am to Jmwtigre
quote:Because Peterson is good.
Why the choice of Peterson?
quote:Because he's your "closer" and extending him 3 innings in March for no apparent reason because you still have a reliable pitcher in the pen is reckless.
Why didn't go directly to Newman - what's is he saving him for - later?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:05 am to ell_13
I told you somebody would make that argument
I didn't bank on someone advocating for bringing in Newman to start the 7th this early in the season
I didn't bank on someone advocating for bringing in Newman to start the 7th this early in the season
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:06 am to ell_13
quote:
First, let me say that I love this tournament. Huge LSU presence, solid teams, good format, excellent location.
That really was like a "mini-CWS". From what I've gathered, Baylor is expected to have around a .500 team, but the other two Texas teams are as good as any.
Sure, we all wanted a different outcome than 1-2, but it is a good gathering point of where we are as a program.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:07 am to Cap Crunch
Well that move or lack of worked out well; brought him in after TOO LATE!
Wrong man at wrong time - that's what PM is paid to do.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:07 am to LSUbase13
Baylor is better than a 500 team
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:08 am to LSUbase13
quote:
That really was like a "mini-CWS"
well CPM dropping 2 games makes sense now
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:09 am to BilJ
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