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re: Sorry, but the discipline problems won't totally go away.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:27 am to Tiger1988
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:27 am to Tiger1988
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Did you ACTULLY hear that Lacy and the other kid were friends? Or how Burns was apologizing to everyone?
What the frick does this matter?? They still did what they did knowing they would get penalized. As a former dumbass kid, I can tell you that without consequences it takes people a lot longer to figure things out. You have to have rules and discipline. Do X and suffer such and such penalty. Or, continue to be penalized for stupid shite.
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:28 am to SpartanSoul
I don't envy the coaches, but I don't feel sorry for them either. They are making of millions of dollars and have every resource imaginable to deal with this type of stuff.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:32 am to lostinbr
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I find it a little funny that for the past 2 years tRant has been bitching and moaning about Kelly being too much of a disciplinarian and wanting choir boys, but now he’s completely lost control of the program.
I legitimately have no problem with shite talking. I love it. And if a player gets flagged for it, I really don't get that mad. With that being said, there's a huge difference between shite talking and pretending to shoot your opponent in the head. (2 separate LSU players did this, Jordan Allen is just lucky he didn't get called for it)
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:51 am to SpartanSoul
Oh right because the NFL players that make MILLIONS all get selfish penalties every game. YEs money adds a new element but the idea that just because they make money they can't play with discipline is retarded.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:52 am to Bert Macklin FBI
"Machine Gun" Lacy says Hi 
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:54 am to SidewalkTiger
I agree. This is not just an LSU problem. It's just about every team on this level of CFB.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:56 am to Bayou
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"Machine Gun" Lacy says Hi
I forgot that if he had no money he wouldn't have made that gesture...
The USC players all play for free? Is that why they didn't have those issues?
I am not saying we didn't have discipline issues but I am saying that money didn't cause it.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:06 am to SpartanSoul
The thing I don't get is BK said Lacy is working really hard on his emotions.
I don't see an issue with getting hyped about a game (and scoring). I do have an issue with the shooting act that got him penalized.
I mean you can't show emotion other ways? Do a backflip, scream and holler, celebrate with your teammates.
Why was that your go-to?
Thug life.
I don't see an issue with getting hyped about a game (and scoring). I do have an issue with the shooting act that got him penalized.
I mean you can't show emotion other ways? Do a backflip, scream and holler, celebrate with your teammates.
Why was that your go-to?
Thug life.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:24 am to SpartanSoul
I know it's stupid but I hate seeing these guys celebrating on a stop when it's not 4th down. Congrats you make a TFL on 1st down. Don't let them convert the 3rd and long again.
I like the WR's that make a massive catch and make a 1st down signal then run back to the huddle. Focus. Celebrate when you get the points.
I like the WR's that make a massive catch and make a 1st down signal then run back to the huddle. Focus. Celebrate when you get the points.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:29 am to LSBoosie
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I legitimately have no problem with shite talking. I love it. And if a player gets flagged for it, I really don't get that mad. With that being said, there's a huge difference between shite talking and pretending to shoot your opponent in the head. (2 separate LSU players did this, Jordan Allen is just lucky he didn't get called for it)
I don’t really consider any personal foul after the play to be “OK” but yes, I agree that there’s a big difference between getting flagged for jawing or shoving back-and-forth vs. an obviously illegal celebration or taking your helmet off, which everyone knows will be an automatic flag.
Playing with emotion is great. Obviously you want the players to have some fire in them. To me, discipline is about putting your responsibility to the team first. That means not committing selfish, unnecessary penalties. It means putting in the work that’s needed to succeed. It means taking care of your business off-the-field. It’s about a mindset more than specific actions, IMO.
In a vacuum, the Burns & Lacy penalties look like we have an undisciplined team. But whatever your feelings on Kelly’s scheme, recruiting, program management, etc., I think the development of that culture/mindset has been one of his strong points overall.
I could eat my words if we continue to have a bunch of stupid penalties but I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:00 am to Mandtgr47
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You are using a winning % for when he was at ND.
Nope, my statement was Kelly's win percentage at current job vs every other coach at their current job, in the conference.
Obviously, someone like DeBoer doesn't qualify.
Kelly is #2 if you count Saban, #3 if you don't.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:14 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Oh right because the NFL players that make MILLIONS all get selfish penalties every game. YEs money adds a new element but the idea that just because they make money they can't play with discipline is retarded.
Speaking of retarded, you completely glossed over the whole age thing. Some people might say that might be an important factor also. Not to mention the ability to walk away at any time with the portal.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 10:20 am
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:33 am to SpartanSoul
Someone compared us to Bama… we are not the same. It’s simple, we don’t have the talent to make up for boneheaded decisions like these and that’s why this is being highlighted. Someone also said something about UGA and how Kirby can’t control them from committing crimes. Every coach has a decision to make, how much do you let players go vs how hard do you ride them. If you ride them too hard they won’t play up to their potential, if you let them go too much, you may get immediate success but you risk losing control. If you watch a lot of successful coaches outside of Nick Saban- The U, UF, LSU 2019, you would know that the coaching style of letting players have swagger and be a little loose was a deliberate decision for short term success. I say all that to say a coach can absolutely control discipline but it comes with a risk.
You do what your success allows, and those actions had an impact on the game, so yes it is an issue for this team where it is in this current landscape. Comparing us to other teams is a form of an excuse.
You do what your success allows, and those actions had an impact on the game, so yes it is an issue for this team where it is in this current landscape. Comparing us to other teams is a form of an excuse.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:34 am to Gsgt24
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Comparing us to other teams is a form of an excuse.
Why?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 10:57 am to SidewalkTiger
Roster depth is a factor. If you have someone ready to take your job, you have to behave or be replaced. If you are "the man" with a large drop off behind you not so much.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 11:30 am to SpartanSoul
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Speaking of retarded, you completely glossed over the whole age thing. Some people might say that might be an important factor also. Not to mention the ability to walk away at any time with the portal.
Did USC have older players? Did they have less paid players? Its not a money issue.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 12:06 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Did USC have older players? Did they have less paid players? Its not a money issue.
USC was one of the most penalized teams in CFB last year.
Anthony Lucas had a defensive offsides and an unsportsmanlike conduct in this particular game, they also had a dumb block in the back and should've been called for another.
Maybe they didn't shoot an imaginary gun at anyone but they weren't exactly a model of "discipline" either.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 12:06 pm to SpartanSoul
Keith Traylor made little Nicky’s arse quit the NFL.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 12:53 pm to Bayou
Serious question. Are you retarded?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 1:11 pm to SidewalkTiger
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USC was one of the most penalized teams in CFB last year.
Anthony Lucas had a defensive offsides and an unsportsmanlike conduct in this particular game, they also had a dumb block in the back and should've been called for another.
Maybe they didn't shoot an imaginary gun at anyone but they weren't exactly a model of "discipline" either.
Are you really trying to insinuate that players should never be penalized and if they are then it means the program has issues and that money is the cause?
Did players not get unsportsmanlike penalties prior to NIL? Do schools like ULM who don't have much NIL never get penalized?
I am not arguing that we should be cool with dumb shite. Its just a ridiculous argument to act like this is a direct result to paying players and act like its a new phenomenon. Guess what? 18-22 year olds sometimes let their emotions get the best of them and do dumb shite. Been that way since the dawn of time. No one paid CLM's players (that we know of
) and they were fairly undiscipline. I'd be much more inclined to agree that the money may cause more offseason/off field issues but I don't agree at all that money creates a lack of on field discipline.
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