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re: Sorry, but the discipline problems won't totally go away.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:38 pm to Madking
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:38 pm to Madking
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You can’t honestly think coaches have zero authority over their players?
I didn't, I said they have very little leverage over them.
Coaches have less leverage than ever before and talented players are more entitled than ever before.
A Saban disciple like Kirby can't even keep his players from committing outright crimes these days.
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
That’s just incorrect and the examples you’re using are false equivalencies. UGA players aren’t getting flags thrown on them left and right and trust me you don’t wanna go tit for tat comparing off season behavior with other teams. If coaches have little to no control over their players what would be the point of these insane salaries? Guys like Kelly would’ve gone the way of the dinosaur before LSU ever even considered him.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:56 pm to Madking
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That’s just incorrect and the examples you’re using are false equivalencies. UGA players aren’t getting flags thrown on them left and right and trust me
They had 7 penalties for 70 yards on Saturday including a dumb defensive offside penalty and a terrible roughing the passer call which was blatant.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:03 pm to SidewalkTiger
So no stupid personal fouls like ours. UGA was a top 15 least penalized team last season. We were 94th. Again no equal
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:04 pm to lostinbr
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I find it a little funny that for the past 2 years tRant has been bitching and moaning about Kelly being too much of a disciplinarian and wanting choir boys, but now he’s completely lost control of the program.
The Lacy and Burns penalties were selfish and inexcusable. I wouldn’t be mad if he sat both of them, particularly while we have a lull in the schedule. I think Kelly should be pissed about that stuff. But I’m not going to act like I think it’s indicative of some festering locker room problem. I don’t think that developing the locker room culture/discipline is Kelly’s weak point. Not by a long shot.
tRant will always find something to complain about.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:13 pm to Madking
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So no stupid personal fouls like ours. UGA was a top 15 least penalized team last season. We were 94th. Again no equal
LSU gave up 10 or so more penalty yards per game.
Meh.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
You have an extremely powerful reality distortion field
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:29 pm to Madking
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You have an extremely powerful reality distortion field
I simply stated a fact, how does that distort reality?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:31 pm to SidewalkTiger
Logically it would mean you believe penalties don’t matter because there’s no difference between the least penalized team and the most.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:35 pm to Madking
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Logically it would mean you believe penalties don’t matter.
I think penalties definitely matter but I don't necessarily believe two players getting stupid penalties in a season opener is indicative of some massive discipline issue.
I also believe those issues are only controllable up to a certain point. Saban is regarded as one of the greatest disciplinarians in the sport and his 2023 team was penalized a ton, one of the most penalized teams in college football.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:40 pm to SidewalkTiger
What you’re doing is making excuses then arguing their justification. You're not refuting what I’m saying and you’re not making any provable points yourself.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:44 pm to Madking
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What you’re doing is making excuses then arguing their justification. You're not refuting what I’m saying and you’re making any provable points yourself.
That's fine.
I'm just saying you'll see more and more of these types of selfish penalties from players, the game is changing. Players only care about themselves, their "swag," and their money.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:50 pm to SidewalkTiger
There wouldn’t be any point in having coaches that make 100mil if that were the case. And BTW he just threw the players under the bus again but you think he’s afraid of them? How would that go according to your theory? The players have a mutiny and quit on him over him sitting someone for a drive after he impersonated a shooter? Then what, other coaches want and trust them? Think about what you’re saying
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:56 pm to Madking
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There wouldn’t be any point in having coaches that make 100mil if that were the case.
There's no point in this anyway yet here we are.
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How would that go according to your theory? The players have a mutiny and quit on him over him sitting someone for a drive after he impersonated a shooter? Then what, other coaches want and trust them? Think about what you’re saying
Other coaches will always take a player who is talented.
Arik Gilbert was an absolute flake and got two more chances at major college football programs.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 12:55 am to SidewalkTiger
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Some of you are still behaving emotionally though.
Behaving emotionally is what they did when they decided to commit selfish and immature penalties that hurt the team. People excusing them for that are absolute assclowns
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:26 am to SidewalkTiger
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He's three years into a guaranteed 10 year contract and he has one of the best winning percentages in this conference.
You are using a winning % for when he was at ND. I remember I used to think "how can you fire les miles he is winningest, etc".......Les never evolved. He lucked into a NC in 2007 with incredible talent, but lucked in with 2 losses nevertheless. I don't have to say much about 2011, other than he refused to change his gameplan....saban didn't. I give Saban credit for evolving.
Brian Kelly is a lot like Les Miles. He lucked into JD, but overall, he has an offensive philosophy much like Miles...and now I'm not sure it wasn't Kelly holding JD back in 2022...from throwing in down the field vs dink and dunks. I watched Nuss, and he has never been known for dink and dunk....and there he was, dinking and dunking, until we tried to run it down their throats in the 4th quarter for a total of 9 carries and 15 yards.
What has Kelly really done. He did have a big win in 2022 over Bama, and I guess you can say we had a big win over Missouri last year.....but Missouri was the result of a conference that was way down last year.
Look at what LSU did last year really, they beat State, Arkansas, Auburn and Florida, who all had losing records....their only two wins in conference over teams with a winning record were Missouri, and 7-6 A&M. Yes, they beat Grambling, Army, and Georgia State.....so basically 7 of their 9 wins against trash teams. They lost to Fl State, Bama, and OM.
You keep saying in multiple threads about how much of a winner Kelly is....he is 20-8 right now at LSU, with a lot of those 20 coming against trash teams, and a couple good wins over Bama and Missouri. He is winning about 70% of his games. He is a solid 9-3 type coach....and I expect we will be there again this year at 9-3 with a chance to win 10 in a bowl game...and if that's what you want...all good.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:33 am to SpartanSoul
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On the pregame show this past Sat. Hanagriff was talking about revenue sharing and how every player on the team will make 6 figures next year. Everyone from the starting quarterback to the deep snapper and that is before NIL.
When you mix that kind of money with these young kids and the transfer portal, I don't envy the coaches. It is no wonder Saban said the hell with this.
The problem is your underlying assumption which is it wasn't an issue before NIL. These are 19-21 athletes who are treated like gods, discipline issues are a feature of major college football. Always have been, always will be.
We don't know enough about the NIL era to assume it's going to be the source of longterm discipline issues.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:45 am to TigerMonkey7
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Wrong. USC didn’t have the same shite happen. It didn’t happen for other teams either.
Then you didn’t watch any other games.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:24 am to Madking
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So no stupid personal fouls like ours.
In the post to which you replied he listed a dumb personal foul that Georgia committed.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 8:26 am to SpartanSoul
Some coaches can harness it.
Some coaches ask other coaches below them to handle it.
Some coaches don’t deal with it as much in different locations.
Some coaches will address it on the sideline and the players will go back to the bench bragging to his boys as if he didn’t hear one works from the coach.
12 coaches will make the playoff with or without these behavioral issues.
Some coaches ask other coaches below them to handle it.
Some coaches don’t deal with it as much in different locations.
Some coaches will address it on the sideline and the players will go back to the bench bragging to his boys as if he didn’t hear one works from the coach.
12 coaches will make the playoff with or without these behavioral issues.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 8:28 am
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