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re: Some of us seem to have unrealistic expectations
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How are you measuring this?
well, we fired a guy for not competing for the West.
but now O is here and “it’s unrealistic to win the west”
the expectation for the new coach that Alleva laid out was “championship caliber” “compete for championships” “in the hunt for titles”
that was the expectations.
now 9-3 and 3rd in west is “overachieving” and “exceeding expectation”.
so expectations have absolutely been lowered.
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Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:42 pm to Tigerpride18
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In regard to this season though, I'd say we overachieved .
This is why coach faux will keep his job and why LSU will continue to have 8-9 win seasons. Because you tard arse fans accept it as a success.
The LSU football program's goals are to win the West, win the SEC and win the national title. LSU has the resources and talent on the field to consistently compete for all three.
8-9 win seasons are a failure. Period.
I've come to realize that coaching is not our main issue. It's our retarded arse fan base that accepts mediocrity comparative to our potential as "successful"
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:43 pm to Goldrush25
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Players just need to be developed properly.
I believe that the head coach we have right now is the man to get that done.
My point in case above. Retarded fan base.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:43 pm to lsufball19
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We did not have the same caliber roster and depth when Miles left like he did from 2003-2013. That's just reality.
We had the same or better roster as other teams that beat Alabama.
I love this "in his second year" argument I keep hearing.
"In his second year," would be appropriate if the entire LSU staff had been gutted, or if we still weren't sitting there with more talent than Auburn, Ole Miss and other teams that have beaten bama.
Ed Orgeron has the same defensive staff, and now, the same offensive staff as he had in 2016. I don't want to hear about interim. As interim, he fired Cam Cameron and promoted Ensminger. He has elected to bring the program back to where it was from a coaching stand point and the results have declined.
Last year at this time, everyone was talking about the disappointing season and wondering about what would happen with Canada, because of the leaks coming out about Canada.
This year, they are sitting at the EXACT same record. Ed doesn't want to make any staff changes and now all that's coming out is how much better we are doing.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:45 pm to dcrews
You don't think the head coach here can properly develop players?
Why not?
Why not?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:47 pm to Goldrush25
My point wasn't about OU being able to score, they in no way were gonna beat Bama, but yes, they did score. I should have elaborated more, I don't like at all LSU didn't score against Bama but think the o-line/d-line discrepancy is a limiting factor but (in agreement with you) your playcalling/gameplan/scheme can allow you to compete or beat Bama.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:48 pm to Goldrush25
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You don't think the head coach here can properly develop players?
He's coached 30+ games thus far and there has been no improvement over the previous staff.
But LSU is "Excuse University" as far as the fans are concerned so I await the plethora of "reasons" LSU has become and still is a mediocre football team.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:49 pm to des4271
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I don't like at all LSU didn't score against Bama but think the o-line/d-line discrepancy is a limiting factor but (in agreement with you) your playcalling/gameplan/scheme can allow you to compete or beat Bama.
We held Bama to 29 points.
If OU does that, they're in the NC game.
Our offensive recruiting is on par with OU's.
What the frick is missing????
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:50 pm to Goldrush25
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You don't think the head coach here can properly develop players?
Why not?
Well for starters, our AD doesn't either... offensively. He wanted to hire Jimbo Fisher (who just beat us in year 1), and then Tom Herman because everyone craved an offensive change.
He walked in there with a binder with a promise to hire the best offensive coordinator. Hired a highly rated coordinator and then refused to accept his philosophy change because he didn't like it and fired him. Then he went back and hired someone on the same staff that was already "developing" players while Miles was here. Since then, offensive production has gone down.
The question is, what makes you think he can (and im not talking about Defense)? The starting QB was developed elsewhere and we have a top knotch QB recruit that hasn't been at any other program riding the pine.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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In year two? Probably not. Would you?
damn right i’d expect more.
Jimbo has A&M actually winning games in november in year one
Herman took UT from dumpster fire to Conf Championship game in year 2
Mullen took a 4-8 clusterfrick to 10 wins in year one.
none of them took over ideal situations. and none of them are making the excuses this board is making for O.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:51 pm to Goldrush25
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You don't think the head coach here can properly develop players?
Why not?
No past performance on which to base that expectation?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:51 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:good coaches can see good results in year 1, and excellent results in year 2. And remember, this wasn't a rebuild.
damn right i’d expect more.
Jimbo has A&M actually winning games in november in year one
Herman took UT from dumpster fire to Conf Championship game in year 2
Mullen took a 4-8 clusterfrick to 10 wins in year one.
none of them took over ideal situations. and none of them are making the excuses this board is making for O.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:51 pm to Goldrush25
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If OU does that, they're in the NC game.
They didn't.
Also Bama ran clock a lot in the second half instead of firing on all cylinders.
OU recruits incredible offensive talent, bad defensive talent. I'm sure we would all like to have Kyler Murray
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Also Bama ran clock a lot in the second half instead of firing on all cylinders
They ran clock because they didn't want OU to have the ball, because OU was starting to gash them.
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OU recruits incredible offensive talent, bad defensive talent
Recruits on both sides of the ball are comparable in HS ratings to ours. They're developing their players differently.
Or are you trying to say that they're just hitting that much on offense and missing that much on defense in recruiting?
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:59 pm to Goldrush25
1) I don't care what people say, the OT's suck and let's face it, you have to be able to throw to beat Bama, thus good blocking,prototypical OT's.
2) what I mentioned earlier, playcalling/scheme/gameplan (coaching)
2) what I mentioned earlier, playcalling/scheme/gameplan (coaching)
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:59 pm to Tigerpride18
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you could argue last year we underachieved
Oh, we definitely under achieved last year. We lost 2 games we absolutely had no business losing.
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In regard to this season though, I'd say we overachieved .
I wouldn't say we overachieved this year. Preseason expectations were lower than usual because we underachieved last year.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 2:02 pm to Tigerpride18
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In regard to this season though, I'd say we overachieved .
No we didn't. We played two teams with as much (Georgia) or more (Bama) talent than us, and we were very impressive against one and god-awful against the other. We also lost to two teams that had less talent and first-year coaches.
The only way it appears that we overachieved is compared to the expectations of people who thought Orgeron was spectacularly unqualified, and therefore we would lose five or six games. These people also thought we had a very tough schedule. This proved to be exaggerated when Auburn, Miami, and Mississippi State all turned out to be terrible.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 2:02 pm to whitefoot
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Preseason expectations were lower than usual because we underachieved last year.
Also alot of people were on the Miami hype train and that thing went off the rails pretty fast. And many also thought Auburn was a 9-10 win team and they were bad
Posted on 12/31/18 at 2:06 pm to Tigerpride18
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some of us are never gonna be happy with anything we do short of winning a national championship.
The shorthand term for those people is "Winners"!
Posted on 12/31/18 at 2:12 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Should be 10-2 .if we would have finished 11-2 ...with expectations low, according to being ranked25 preseason, would y'all be happy then? 10-3 would be OK for some. I'm on the fringe. Not happy but can't get that mad about . This year and that schedul. tommorrow will be a tough game
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 2:13 pm
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