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re: So, where is the bar set for 2019?
Posted on 1/2/19 at 12:54 pm to whitefoot
Posted on 1/2/19 at 12:54 pm to whitefoot
“ isn’t the goal to win a national championship “
That’s probably why I listed my bar at a West title or a spot in the playoff.
“ we don’t have to beat Bama in the regular season”
While that might be true, it’s my understanding that the committee is looking more and more favorably on conference champions in the evaluation process as to who makes the playoffs.
Anyway, I’m pretty freaking tired of being owned by Bama no matter who the coach might be.
That’s probably why I listed my bar at a West title or a spot in the playoff.
“ we don’t have to beat Bama in the regular season”
While that might be true, it’s my understanding that the committee is looking more and more favorably on conference champions in the evaluation process as to who makes the playoffs.
Anyway, I’m pretty freaking tired of being owned by Bama no matter who the coach might be.
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:08 pm to cas4t
11-2 after bowl game. And actually in the Alabama game.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:16 pm to cas4t
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With what we have returning, and finally a QB, I think many will expect to win the SEC. I am in that camp.
Over Bama?
How?
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:18 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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it’s my understanding that the committee is looking more and more favorably on conference champions in the evaluation process as to who makes the playoffs.
I don't think this is true. Alabama made it last year and would have made it again this year had they lost to Georgia. Also, the debate this year was between Georgia, Ohio State and Oklahoma. I heard the committee chairman say that they eliminated OSU because their loss was so bad and ultimately didn't feel like a 2 loss Georgia team was more deserving than a 1 loss Oklahoma. But, they ranked Georgia 5th, so say ND or Oklahoma had lost another game. Clearly Georgia would have been in.
In the current landscape, I think it's more likely than not that a 1 loss SEC team gets in.
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Anyway, I’m pretty freaking tired of being owned by Bama no matter who the coach might be.
Agreed. I'm really only talking about 2019 here. Tua and almost all of their skill guys will be back, their defense will still be nasty no matter who they lose to the draft and we play at their place.
I think 10-11 wins next year is a reasonable expectation. 10-2 will be disappointing because it will mean we lost both games that we're underdogs in (Alabama & Texas). I think we'll be favored in every other game on the schedule, though.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:25 pm to cas4t
It’s obvious you are trying to set the narrative early that anything other than undefeated with wins over Bama and UGA (in the SECCG) is a failure that should come with consequences.
That’s the goal; that’s not the bar. The bar is improvement of the program and competitive for the championship. The goal is the SEC championship and playoffs.
The program is improving. Stop trying to set an excuse to bitch if we happen to drop a close game to Bama, despite having an otherwise great year.
That’s the goal; that’s not the bar. The bar is improvement of the program and competitive for the championship. The goal is the SEC championship and playoffs.
The program is improving. Stop trying to set an excuse to bitch if we happen to drop a close game to Bama, despite having an otherwise great year.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:28 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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It’s obvious you are trying to set the narrative early that anything other than undefeated with wins over Bama and UGA (in the SECCG) is a failure that should come with consequences.
That’s the goal; that’s not the bar. The bar is improvement of the program and competitive for the championship. The goal is the SEC championship and playoffs.
The program is improving. Stop trying to set an excuse to bitch if we happen to drop a close game to Bama, despite having an otherwise great year.
Great post. The same people who were bitching yesterday after securing a 10 win season were the same idiots saying this team wouldn't win more than 6 games this season. Those people won't change.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:31 pm to cas4t
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Our lines will be comparable next year barring injury.
Where does this come from? We still have no tackles; they routinely put tackles in the first two rounds...and will continue to do so. Our left tackle was on skates all year. Who on the roster fixes that next year?
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:32 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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It’s obvious you are trying to set the narrative early that anything other than undefeated with wins over Bama and UGA (in the SECCG) is a failure that should come with consequences. That’s the goal; that’s not the bar. The bar is improvement of the program and competitive for the championship. The goal is the SEC championship and playoffs. The program is improving. Stop trying to set an excuse to bitch if we happen to drop a close game to Bama, despite having an otherwise great year.
Is it possible to sticky a post? Because this one will be needed often for the offseason.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:37 pm to cas4t
make the playoffs
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:37 pm to cas4t
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In terms of what LSU added this class on the line, what we have returning at QB and WR, we compare on talent. They of course will be a notch above us in numerous areas, and certainly in depth. But if LSU is healthy going into the Bama game, we will have comparable talent.
Comparable? No we will not. Go look at the star ratings for the past four cycles and tell me how we are comparable. We are in the discussion, but Bama’s talent across their starters—and especially their reserves—is incomparable in college football today.
To beat them you have to overcome the talent discrepancy with scheme and some luck.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:43 pm to cas4t
8 wins.o is building something special. Young team. Give him time. The 2022 recruiting class is going to be special and you don't mess with that.
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:44 pm to cas4t
quote:where it should be set every year - win the West, play for the SEC championship and a spot in the playoffs.
So, where is the bar set for 2019?
Nothing less.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:49 pm to cas4t
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Never said we were as talented. I said we are comparable, because we are.
com·pa·ra·ble
/'kämp(?)r?b(?)l/
:of equivalent quality; worthy of comparison.
You keep using that word...
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:03 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
“ stop trying to set an excuse to bitch”
63-10 vs Bama in the last 3 yrs, 7 L’s in 2 yrs, 2 L’s in winnable games this season, a disappointing O, and 5-3 in the SEC gives any LSU fan the right to criticize.
I am ok with this season. I have always been ok with 10 wins playing in the West. I will be ok with 10 wins next yr. I am not ok with continuing to drop further behind Bama or L’s to Fla and A&M. I am not ok with an O in the bottom 1/2 of the SEC. That doesn’t mean I want anyone fired after 10 win seasons.
63-10 vs Bama in the last 3 yrs, 7 L’s in 2 yrs, 2 L’s in winnable games this season, a disappointing O, and 5-3 in the SEC gives any LSU fan the right to criticize.
I am ok with this season. I have always been ok with 10 wins playing in the West. I will be ok with 10 wins next yr. I am not ok with continuing to drop further behind Bama or L’s to Fla and A&M. I am not ok with an O in the bottom 1/2 of the SEC. That doesn’t mean I want anyone fired after 10 win seasons.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 2:33 pm to cas4t
11-1.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 3:30 pm to AlxTgr
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How did LSU attain the ranking they will have when it's all over?
If you are satisfied with how this team plays, good for you. I see gross under performance pretty much every week, especially with the offense. 0 blew it when he fired Canada. CSE is not a good enough coordinator at this level. He cannot even score against the gumps. Where will that lead? The Citadel scored on them? Do you just not get this point or are you stupid?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:52 pm to UpToPar
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This was a great win, but we wouldn't have played in a "big bowl" if it weren't for the playoffs. This would have been a chik-fil-a bowl or cotton bowl type of year, similar to 2010 and 2012.
I keep seeing this and I don’t understand the conclusion. Are you saying LSU wouldn’t have made a NY6 bowl if not for the playoffs, or that “NY6” wouldn’t be important if not for the playoffs?
For the record, while I disagree I don’t necessarily think either are absurd claims. Just curious what the thought process is.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:49 pm to cas4t
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I said we are comparable, because we are. Yes they have dominated recruiting, but LSU cleaned up this year and it's not as if we haven't recruited well.
Recruiting rankings (per 247):
2016: Bama 1, LSU 2
2017: Bama 1, LSU 7
2018: Bama 5, LSU 15
2019: Bama 1, LSU 4
We have a great class coming in. Problem is that whenever LSU has a great class, Bama ends up with an even better class.
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I don't expect to win, but we should undoubtedly be able to compete with them if our OL and DL are healthy.
Here are the guys that will be on both teams’s rosters next year (assuming nobody leaves early, for the sake of simplicity):
Offensive Line
LSU - (1) 5-star (1 FR)
LSU - (8) 4-star (1 SR, 3 JR, 2 SO, 2 FR)
Bama - (3) 5-star (1 SR, 1 JR, 1 FR)
Bama - (14) 4-star (2 SR, 4 JR, 3 SO, 5 FR)
Defensive Line
LSU - (1) 5-star (1 SR)
LSU - (6) 4-star (3 SR, 1 JR, 1 SO, 1 FR)
Bama - (2) 5-star (1 JR, 1 FR)
Bama - (11) 4-star (1 SR, 1 JR, 3 SO, 6 FR)
We have not been able to recruit the type of depth they have in the trenches, and that trend looks to continue with the 2019 class.
All of that being said, I do have to wonder how many of the folks around here saying the “expectation” is to win 11 games and/or the SECw actually expect that to happen (as in >50% possibility). As has been pointed out, it seems like a convenient way to set up for disappointment.
There’s nothing wrong with thinking that winning 11+ regular season games and/or the conference should be the goal, but it’s completely unrealistic to set it as an expectation. I mean for Christ’s sake, we have only won 11 regular season games twice since Saban was hired (2003 and 2011).
For that matter, we’ve only won 10+ regular season games seven times in the past 20 years (and none since 2012). Acting like a 10-2 regular season should be no big deal is asinine in a historical context. And for those of you who don’t remember, the last two times we won the SECw were 2007 and 2011.
So for those of you who don’t think a year-over-year improvement is good enough: you are the ones being delusional.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:56 pm to cas4t
The expectation should always be to win the national title. That's why they play. And though I'm a realist and understand odds, I never go into a game expecting to lose. Doesn't mean I think it will not take great effort or near perfect game sometimes, but I always expect to win. Imo our team is always capable of winning. The greatest reality show in the world can have strange plot twists sometimes.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:58 pm to cas4t
A lot of people seem have set it at playoffs or bust. I've been swayed.
Got Burrow back with a stable o-line, elite RBs, WRs with another year of experience in the system. I'm not seeing a weakness. Add in a favorable schedule and the stars seem to be aligning.
Playoffs or bust.
Got Burrow back with a stable o-line, elite RBs, WRs with another year of experience in the system. I'm not seeing a weakness. Add in a favorable schedule and the stars seem to be aligning.
Playoffs or bust.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 9:59 pm
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