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re: So did Ben Simmons live up to the hype?

Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:16 am to
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10134 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:16 am to
That sounds about right. That's going to happen to anyone.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:16 am to
Not what I said
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:20 am to
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What games did you watch? He posted up all the time.


all of them.

If you had watched all of them you would know this is not true. He was on the perimeter most of the time...and by most I am saying at least 65-70% of the time.

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when did all these shots getting thrown back in his face occur?


I saw it plenty of times. I guess you are going to say he is physical inside and had the ability to finish plays inside also?
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 11:23 am
Posted by supersaints9
Colleyville,Tx
Member since Dec 2009
14159 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:46 am to
There is no denying his talent , but for me his lack of effort and intensity for 40 minutes EVERY game is the biggest letdown. To me truly elite players give 110% for the whole game defensively and offensively.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18137 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:18 pm to
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Simmons had zero issues in the post offensively against anyone. He was a dominant college force there when we decided to do it.


say what???

Unless he could actually get to the rim, which was usually from penetration facing the basket, he has limited post moves with his back to the basket. Jump hook? Didn't see it. Turn around jumper? Didn't see it. Jeez, he can't even shoot a left-handed layup - instead he drives left and puts up an off-balance right-handed shot. It's bizarre.

In transition, he'll be very good in the NBA because of his handle and quickness. I give him full credit for all of that.

But in the half court set, against NBA bigs who are stronger, quicker, and play much better defense than he saw this year, Ben will struggle. Especially since he won't be able to draw defenders outside with a credible jump shot threat.
Posted by The Human Fetus
Member since Mar 2006
556 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:33 pm to
Not even close. One of the biggest underachieving teams ive ever seen. It's not that hard for a "superstar" to lead a team to the ncaa tournament. It isn't as much a team sport as football is. Really underwhelming.
Posted by TigerTicker
Right behind you!
Member since Dec 2008
1279 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:41 pm to
I was excited to see what this guy's game was gonna be like. Watched LSU a few times on TV this year. Bored stiff watching the guy. He just seemed to be going through the motions, waiting on the year to be up so he could get on with getting his money. I for one will not miss the guy when he's no longer a Tiger.
Posted by Leadbelly
Ratchet City
Member since Mar 2013
87 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:03 pm to
Chest deficient
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35398 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:55 pm to
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You think BS can handle the ball better than KD?
That isn't what he said, but yes, Ben has a better handle than Durant.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127410 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:59 pm to
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Jump hook? Didn't see it.

I've seen this a few times.
Posted by Bengaltyger4life
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2014
422 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:03 pm to
Name one true freshman out of high school who had no supporting role players around him that accomplished this task. All evidence and experts throughout the world has stated that it is impossible for one man to carry a team to a championship. Name one man who did this in the NBA? The question was did Ben Simmons live up to the hype and personally I think he did and he was just named freshman of the year. Jordan considered one of the greatest to ever play the game couldn't win a championship by himself let a lone a single game. So your saying 1 against 5 is even odds and one man can defeat 5 in a game of basketball on any level.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10921 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

Not even close. Will have less than average pro career.


I see no reason for him to return to LSU, even if he played himself out of the #1 overall pick (which I don't think he did.) The problem I have is the guy has no defense, and seeing guys like Mickey and Martin struggling to get minutes in the NBA, I just don't see how he sees the floor at all as a rookie.(bases on lack of defense) And if that's even half true, is he really worthy of the #1 pick? (no doubt the 76er's will pick him and ruin any chance he has at development, of that I'm sure).

No doubt he has next level court vision and understands the game, but after seeing him poorly handle this adversity at LSU he's got a lot of growing up to do.



Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9727 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:07 pm to
No
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18137 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

Name one true freshman out of high school who had no supporting role players around him that accomplished this task.


uh, we have some pretty good role players. Our roster isn't depleted.

True, we have little depth with our big guys, but we've got other decent pieces in place. It's not like our entire roster is shite.
Posted by GeauxWarTigers
Auburn
Member since Oct 2010
18046 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:23 pm to
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The problem I have is the guy has no defense, and seeing guys like Mickey and Martin struggling to get minutes in the NBA, I just don't see how he sees the floor at all as a rookie.


Did you just compare Ben Simmons to Mickey and Martin?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:30 pm to
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Ben has a better handle than Durant.


Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10921 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

Did you just compare Ben Simmons to Mickey and Martin?


No.

Defensively there is no comparison.

I merely suggested that Mickey and Martin are better defensively than Simmons.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

Mickey and Martin are better defensively than Simmons.


Martin definitely is more polished than BS on offense...Hell Mickey even had a better jump shot
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
3942 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:58 pm to
Hype is hype. No one ever lives up to it because everyone has a different standard of what that means.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95196 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:00 pm to
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Topwater Trout

Your knowledge of the game of basketball is frightening. It is hilarious how obvious it is that most of our fans haven't seen an NBA game. KD averaged 1.3 assist per game compared to Simmons 5. It isn't an argument. 10/10 NBA scouts will tell you Simmons handles are better. It isn't a question. Nobody is saying he will be a better player, but Simmlns certainly has the better handles
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