- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Skenes, Hurd, Floyd
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:04 am to Honkus
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:04 am to Honkus
quote:
I hate this Johnny wholestaff crap the previous staff rolled out in midweeks.
I like it. It concentrates your best pitching on the weekend, where it matters, and it gives you a chance to practice the back end of your bullpen. It's a championship strategy, not a win the midweek at all costs strategy.
2
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:53 am to Penrod
quote:
win the midweek at all costs strategy
Yeah im not worried ab winning midweek games. But from a development standpoint, I'd like to see us stretch more than 3 guys out. God forbid one of those guys goes down.
Besides, with the length id expect from Skenes, Hurd and Floyd (~7IP) we wont need as many arms out of the pen on the weekend.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:08 am to lsutiger2
quote:
Grant was touching 99 before he got hurt……..yo
Can't imagine having Taylor and Noot on this staff as well.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:15 am to Tigerfan870769
I agree that I think that will be the weekend rotation to start SEC Play. I love Little as the closer. He can legit be unhittable in that role.
I'm curious to see how Shores is used after that. I would actually like to see him become the midweek starter to keep getting his innings up and getting more starting experience.
I'm curious to see how Shores is used after that. I would actually like to see him become the midweek starter to keep getting his innings up and getting more starting experience.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:19 am to Tigerfan870769
I’m concerned that we are going to miss Grant Taylor.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:23 am to ell_13
Blake Money will pitch significant games for us. He's going to come in early relief in a big series. Bookit
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:23 am to ell_13
Of course we miss Taylor. Can't really replace him. Just gotta hope the guys behind him step up.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:26 am to Tigerfan870769
quote:
Shores is legit but for now mid week starter is where he should be.
This is the camp I'm in. Shores needs to develop an out pitch and prove he can get through a line-up twice before I'm starting him on an SEC weekend.
Hurd's performance last night likely means he is your Sunday starer next weekend vs Samford in preparation for A$M on the road.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:29 am to josh336
quote:
Yeah, the interesting thing is what do you do with shores if that happens, weekday or weekend bullpen? Id rather have him in the pen if those are my options
People say that, but he needs to work on things to be a viable option out of the 'pen in SEC play, in my opinion. I know the talent is there, but talent, as we know, only means as much as the player can make of it, and he's a bit wonky with his command, and the secondaries are too inconsistent.
I thought he showed his best swing and miss stuff so far, this past weekend, but it still doesn't look sharp enough for my liking. I get the sense that with our depth, the coaching staff won't feel a need to rush him into anything, and they'll let him start in the midweek so that he can get more innings to iron out his weaknesses.
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 8:30 am
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:31 am to Tigerfan870769
Barring injuries I think we have the luxury of a deep bullpen that should allow us to put Shores in the midweek role. It’s be great for his development to improve his secondary pitches and get some innings against competition that in some cases isn’t exactly terrible (Tulane, ULL)
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:36 am to SM6
I think for both the long term of this season and the long term of his career, going starter innings in the midweek would be more beneficial to relief innings on the weekend.
He's got a chance to be special. And there are a lot of starter skills that can only be learned starting and trying to go deep in games: getting guys out when you don't have your best stuff, getting guys out when they've seen you more than once (or twice), energy conservation, developing a third or fourth pitch.
He's got a chance to be special. And there are a lot of starter skills that can only be learned starting and trying to go deep in games: getting guys out when you don't have your best stuff, getting guys out when they've seen you more than once (or twice), energy conservation, developing a third or fourth pitch.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:38 am to Penrod
quote:
It's a championship strategy, not a win the midweek at all costs strategy.
And how many championships did it win? We weren’t doing the Wholestaff thing back in 2009.
Mainieri never had a fourth starter ready for postseason play and it bit us a few times. I will say that Caleb Gilbert stepped up in the 2017 CWS.
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 8:49 am
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:49 am to 304tiger
quote:
How has Shores been?
He's on the cusp but not quite there yet. All it takes is 1 get in a groove start for him and he's a viable weekend option though starting. Look what we just saw from Hurd after his first few starts. It can turn on at any point.
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 8:49 am
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:09 am to HC87
quote:
Agreed, invaluable reps midweek to get ready for later this season
Dominating shite lineups in midweek games isn’t gonna get him ready for postseason play. He’s got to face SEC hitters, whether as a starter or from the pen.
quote:
and next year as a weekend starter.
He’s not a guy you worry about developing for next year right now. That’s what summer and fall is for. We’re trying to win the CWS THIS YEAR. And his stuff is too good to not use on the weekends. Even if it’s just to come in in a high leverage situation and only get an out or 2. We’ll worry about next year after this one is over.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:14 am to thunderbird1100
Well Hurd has done it before, and just needed to get some confidence back, which he seemed to gain against Texas.
But yeah, Shores isn't far off. I definitely don't want to see him in the pen right now. As I said earlier in this thread, let him start midweek games so that he can get necessary innings for his development. If he figures it out and a need arises on the weekend in any capacity, then you slot him in there.
Come postseason time, we're going to be glad to have a 4th starter. Even without falling into the losers bracket, some sort of snafu seems to always arise. A long rain delay taking a starter out, or pushing the regionals back, and jamming up the pitching schedules for the supers. Heck, when's the last time we had three reliable starters? I guess maybe 2017, but while we had three good starters in Lange, Poche and Walker, Lange was the only one who really struck fear into any lineup.
But yeah, Shores isn't far off. I definitely don't want to see him in the pen right now. As I said earlier in this thread, let him start midweek games so that he can get necessary innings for his development. If he figures it out and a need arises on the weekend in any capacity, then you slot him in there.
Come postseason time, we're going to be glad to have a 4th starter. Even without falling into the losers bracket, some sort of snafu seems to always arise. A long rain delay taking a starter out, or pushing the regionals back, and jamming up the pitching schedules for the supers. Heck, when's the last time we had three reliable starters? I guess maybe 2017, but while we had three good starters in Lange, Poche and Walker, Lange was the only one who really struck fear into any lineup.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:22 am to Hot Carl
quote:
Dominating shite lineups in midweek games isn’t gonna get him ready for postseason play. He’s got to face SEC hitters, whether as a starter or from the pen.
He’s not a guy you worry about developing for next year right now. That’s what summer and fall is for. We’re trying to win the CWS THIS YEAR. And his stuff is too good to not use on the weekends. Even if it’s just to come in in a high leverage situation and only get an out or 2. We’ll worry about next year after this one is over.
Man, nobody is saying they want him in the midweek for the sake of dominating crappy lineups. It's that his stuff right now is very inconsistent. There is nothing he's doing right now, consistently, that says he's guy we should use in high leverage situations out of the 'pen, or as a starter, in SEC play. Facing SEC hitters isn't going to make his secondaries, or his overall command any better. It literally makes no difference. He has to work on his pitches, and that means he needs the requisite innings to work on his issues. He's not going to get that out of the 'pen.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:23 am to Metaloctopus
The best part about the weekend rotation being set is that Riley Cooper goes back in the relief role which he is really good at. Have him, Money, Ackenhausen, and the rest available will be key during SEC play.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:26 am to CottonWasKing
quote:
He’s a great talent that will be elite before he leaves but he has some development to do.
True, but just because he’s not a finished product doesn’t mean he can’t get SEC weekend outs right now. He will have a weekend role somewhere. I’m not sure they know exactly where yet. I do think he at least gets the 1st Sunday SEC start, then they’ll go from there.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:28 am to Hot Carl
quote:
True, but just because he’s not a finished product doesn’t mean he can’t get SEC weekend outs right now
I 100 percent think he can get weekend outs right now. I’m just not sure if it’s necessary and it may be more beneficial to us in the long run to keep him on a starting routine and stretched in order to have that 4th starter stretched out come post season or able to step in in case one of the weekend starters goes down with an injury.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 9:31 am to CottonWasKing
My opinion is a little more blended on it. I want him to keep getting starter innings in the mid week to give him the biggest chance to develop his out pitch and some of those other starter traits I mentioned before.
But I think once he shows evidence that he's got that, he jumps the line on weekend relievers and becomes one of the guys we can count on. Especially long relief.
But I think once he shows evidence that he's got that, he jumps the line on weekend relievers and becomes one of the guys we can count on. Especially long relief.
Page 2 of 4
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News