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re: Should LSU baseball host a regional more than 40% of the time?
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:21 pm to Tiger Ugly
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:21 pm to Tiger Ugly
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Same here - I believe in high expectations and so IMHO do all great programs in all sports IMHO.
Of course they do. High expectations are great. But you have to live in the real world where shite happens, and if the defending national champions have a couple of devastating injuries in a season with a brutal schedule, your knee jerk reaction can’t be to fire the entire staff.
Some of you still haven’t
gotten it through your heads just how much parity NIL, the portal, rev share, etc….has leveled the playing field. There’s not a whole lot of difference between the best teams and middle of the road teams like there once was.
Or the very top teams and the ones right below them. Look at Georgia and Bama. They dominated college football for over a decade. And overlapped once Kirby got it rolling.
But their huge advantages that allowed them
to have 4 and 5 stars waiting in the back of the 3 deep until their Jr. seasons to get on the field have shrunk significantly. Hell, the SEC’s 20+ year domination of the sport has disappeared the past few years. The Big 10 has won the NC the last 3 years with 3 different teams.
And one was fricking Indiana.
And Bama’s dominance was ending even if Saban had stayed. It’s the main reason he retired in the 1st place. Way too much bullshite and extra work just to keep up with the Joneses, much less stay ahead of them.
With the expanded playoffs, NIL, and the portal, teams like Indiana, Miami, A&M, and
Texas Tech emerged as national players once they realized they could compete with these new changes in place, and all of a sudden, hungry billionaire boosters started coming out of the woodworks.
High expectations are great to have—every year. But there’s very little room for error:
You have to balance that with the new landscape in college sports. And a down year due to some unforeseen issues can’t have everybody ready to burn it all down immediately after just 1. Now, this was a small,
vocal minority of the same posters on here,
but there are people who legit want Jay fired. Wanted the fans to go to the game Saturday for the specific reason of booing him and the players. Not great for recruiting. And firing Jay would make it a very unattractive job for the next candidate we hire. And the only ones
we’d consider already have good gigs where they’re successful. Otherwise we wouldn’t want them. “Stay at Georgia where I can live in Athens, make similar money, and where winning a championship would give me lifelong security and probably get me a statue, or go to LSU, live in Baton Rouge, win a championship and just be 4th coach to do it in less than 30 years? Where I could win 2 out of 3 NCs and still get fired after one or two down years? No thanks, I think I’ll stick around at Georgia.”
Speaking of 2 out of 3 CWS, I think with time, we’ll realize just how incredible that was. It might be decades before another school does that. It’s really hard just to win one.
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:51 pm to Jack Daniel
40% is a percentage for MA Trash.
Hosting a Regional at the Box should be a 100% given minimum every season and is
not too much to expect at all!
Hosting a Regional at the Box should be a 100% given minimum every season and is
not too much to expect at all!
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:23 pm to Hot Carl
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Of course they do. High expectations are great. But you have to live in the real world where shite happens, and if the defending national champions have a couple of devastating injuries in a season with a brutal schedule, your knee jerk reaction can’t be to fire the entire staff.
It's all relative Carl, I don't expect to win a national title every year or even every 3 years. And I don't expect to get a Super every year or a regional every year.
But I do expect not to have the worst SEC record since before the Skip era coming off a national title team - NIL era or no NIL ERA and to have that expectation is not unreasonable. We were losing games and series to teams that we should not have in troubling frequency before losing Bronw and the pitching you reference.
I have NEVER mentioned firing the entire staff or any but if this year happens again next year - and I don't EXPECT it to - that's a different story.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:04 pm to Tiger Ugly
It’s a bit of a juxtaposition some are putting themselves in. People are basically saying “you can’t expect to make the postseason consistently anymore”, but then they are banking on us winning the national title at a very high rate the years we so make the postseason
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:06 pm to Big4SALTbro
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Omaha 3/10
way too low.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:26 pm to lsupride87
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Here is a mild maniacal thought, stay with me, what if some people like Jay, want him to stay, but would like to see him improve with maintaining consistency?
Everyone wants consistency vs. not having consistency. That's a dumb thing to point out. It's just complaining with no real point.
The question is really the following:
A) The inconsistency is a reflection of the way Jay runs the program. Presumably, the results will be the highest of highs...but also potential for some lows. In other words, you take the good with the bad.
B) The inconsistency is an anomaly, and over time the numbers will even out given the quality of teams Jay will put together. (Season 1 was extremely reasonable and indicative of a good job. Season 3 was very close to advancing vs.UNC. The two championships were obviously good coaching jobs. This season was just a series of unfortunate events.)
C) The two championships were the anomaly...and the inconsistency is really the signal that something is wrong.
If the reality is A, then only an absolute moron would complain. If Jay is a swing for the fences type and we are winning championships at a high clip as a result, you'd have to be retarded to complain about down years in between.
If the reality is B, then there's nothing to worry about. Jay is who everyone assumed he was.
If the reality is C, then consistency won't be enough. Hosting regionals won't be enough. Hosting Super Regionals won't be enough.
The truth is that there is no reasonable complaint about Jay Johnson as we sit unless you are willing to state that we are facing reality C. You can't say, the two championships were nice...BUT...
Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:11 pm to Salmon
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also just a friendly reminder
They're going to have to keep moving the gold posts.
First it was Jay Orgeron and 75% of the time we're traveling for a regional.
Then it's Jay "Eli Manning" Johnson and 60% of the time we're traveling for a regional.
Next thing you know, it's going to be ole Jay "Robert Horry" Johnson who could only win 7 titles in 20 years. Should be at least 15 in 20 years at da power house!!!
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:22 pm to lsupride87
quote:I think you should absolutely expect to make the post season every year. I think there are years like this year when pretty much everything falls the wrong way. Injuries, luck, roster attrition. Nothing went our way this year.
It’s a bit of a juxtaposition some are putting themselves in. People are basically saying “you can’t expect to make the postseason consistently anymore”, but then they are banking on us winning the national title at a very high rate the years we so make the postseason
I do think though that with the way you build rosters now, it's not out of the ordinary to have down years followed by title contending years, followed by down years. You have to succeed in the portal to have success. What that means is finding a handful of one year rentals. When those guys pan out, it's great for that season. It's led to a championship in 2 seasons, and led to a much better team than it's record in a third. This year, it didn't.
Regardless, what happens when you build out a roster like that, which has shown to pretty much be required barring extreme draft luck, is younger players either leave or don't develop.
So, if you have a few misses in the portal and then a few injuries, you're just fricked - see this season.
This was my very long winded way of saying it is not unreasonable to expect to compete for national titles following down years. As long as the program is properly funded and Jay is at the helm, we will be in a very good place.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:31 pm to moneyg
Great post.
I truly think it's a combination of A and B.
He showed he could take a good offense and very poor pitching staff and compete with 17 wins in 2022.
He showed he can win with a star studded offense and an inconsistent pitching staff (with 3 MAJOR injuries) and win 2023.
He showed that he could completely flip a roster on its head, get over a horrendous start, and get a team going at the right time in 2024.
He showed he can win with 4 reliable pitchers and a solid offense in 2025.
I think, if you look at the entire body of work and make ups of his teams, 2026 becomes a pretty clear outlier. No matter how poorly Casan Evans pitched this year, there's probably not a coach in the conference that can lose their FRI/SAT starters and compete for a host site. When you add in the injuries to the best player on the team, the starting left fielder, the starting 2nd basemen, the starting 3rd baseman, the back up 2nd and 3rd basemens, the catcher/DH, and some underperformance early in the season - well, you're not going to have a fun time.
I truly think it's a combination of A and B.
He showed he could take a good offense and very poor pitching staff and compete with 17 wins in 2022.
He showed he can win with a star studded offense and an inconsistent pitching staff (with 3 MAJOR injuries) and win 2023.
He showed that he could completely flip a roster on its head, get over a horrendous start, and get a team going at the right time in 2024.
He showed he can win with 4 reliable pitchers and a solid offense in 2025.
I think, if you look at the entire body of work and make ups of his teams, 2026 becomes a pretty clear outlier. No matter how poorly Casan Evans pitched this year, there's probably not a coach in the conference that can lose their FRI/SAT starters and compete for a host site. When you add in the injuries to the best player on the team, the starting left fielder, the starting 2nd basemen, the starting 3rd baseman, the back up 2nd and 3rd basemens, the catcher/DH, and some underperformance early in the season - well, you're not going to have a fun time.
quote:The problem I have with this place is there is a very vocal minority who believes this. I don't know why they do, but they are just bitter people who want failure. They thrive on it.
The truth is that there is no reasonable complaint about Jay Johnson as we sit unless you are willing to state that we are facing reality C. You can't say, the two championships were nice...BUT...
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:51 pm to Jack Daniel
They should host when they have a top 16 team
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:34 pm to Jack Daniel
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Is it not reasonable to expect “the Powerhouse” to be a top 16 team every year?
Yes, it is. It is certainly reasonable to expect that LSU will NOT get swept 5 times in SEC play. This season was a complete and utter failure by Jay.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:34 pm to Salmon
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its so weird to me how some of y'all so badly want to be Arkansas
You win this thread. It’s over. Period.
But most of these frickheads posing these types of “questions” are just alters or trolls who LIVE for seasons like this.
There are a very few who are actual fans who have real points, but they are the exceptions. The OP- not so much.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:39 pm to semjase
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40% is a percentage for MA Trash. Hosting a Regional at the Box should be a 100% given minimum every season and is not too much to expect at all!
Go on the record, right here, right now shithead. Do you believe Jay Johnson should be fired? You love to drive-by bitch with your bullshite acronyms. Get it all out there.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:45 pm to Hot Carl
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“Stay at Georgia where I can live in Athens, make similar money, and where winning a championship would give me lifelong security and probably get me a statue, or go to LSU, live in Baton Rouge, win a championship and just be 4th coach to do it in less than 30 years? Where I could win 2 out of 3 NCs and still get fired after one or two down years? No thanks, I think I’ll stick around at Georgia.”
After seeing UGA’s half-assed fans and stadium that seats less than 5,000, I think ole Wes would crawl over broken glass for this job if it came available. It would take him a decade to get that fanbase to even give a shite, much less expand the stadium and put real resources into their program.
Unless UGA really gets behind him the way UT did with Vitello, Wes will be gone to a bigger program in a year or two. A better job will come open somewhere and he would be a fool not to take it.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 2:16 am to Salmon
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And anytime it’s brought up the person gets 45 downvotes and a burning upside baseball bat in their yard
do you think its because people are afraid to talk about it, or because its the same 5 posters posting the same thread over and over again?
Ok, I'm a different poster than those 5.
I'm obviously pleased with 2 recent national titles, but the lack of consistency year to year bugs me. If we win the national title 40% of the time, we CLEARLY should be hosting regionals a lot more often than that. For someone who asks "would you rather be Arkansas?", my answer is: NO. I'd rather be the LSU I remember- hosting regionals and supers, AND winning national titles often.
I recall similar smarmy responses regarding football a few years ago. There are people completely ok with losing half the time, as long as they occasionally get a title. That ain't me. I want to enjoy it consistently. Last year's title does nothing to improve my mood this year, other than I'm eager and hopeful when the year started. Now, next year I'm probably going to be nervous and hesitant, at least until we get on a roll.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 5:37 am to Jack Daniel
40% regional hosting over what time period? I’d be stunned if it was that low say, since 2000.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 7:49 am to Scoob
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For someone who asks "would you rather be Arkansas?", my answer is: NO. I'd rather be the LSU I remember- hosting regionals and supers, AND winning national titles often.
And YOU are a part of the problem. The “LSU you remember” is the 90’s, and the 90’s aren’t ever being replicated.
Basically, your expectation is for Jay to match Skip, the greatest coach in the history of the sport. You’re setting a nearly impossible bar, and then whining when it’s not met.
This post was edited on 5/19/26 at 7:52 am
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