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re: Sending the runner was the right call both times
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:31 am to Tiger1242
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:31 am to Tiger1242
quote:I agree that he should have sent Breaux home. Not so sure about Freeman with only 1 out. How the hell does Breaux not score on that? It was a soft blooper and it appeared that he was running on contact and didn't hesitate. He should have been well around 3rd by the time the CF got the ball, but it wasn't really even close at home
Sending the runner was the right call both times
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:31 am to Tiger1242
Freeman took a couple of steps back to 2nd to make sure the SS didn't catch it and double him up. Because he didn't get a good jump, I would have held him at 3rd with 1 out.
I was okay with the other one with 2 outs.
I was okay with the other one with 2 outs.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:32 am to GeismarGeauxer
quote:Ok. The CF still had to run a long way to get to the ball. I realize that it made the throw much shorter, but Breaux should have been halfway home by then
AD's hit was just beyond the infielders.
ETA: It did look like he got an awful secondary lead after the pitch was thrown
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 8:34 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:35 am to Tiger1242
A close play that requires a good throw by the outfielder is one thing, but anyone who thinks it was a good call to send a runner when he gets hosed by 20 feet doesn't know baseball.
Period.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:38 am to Tiger1242
There is no justification for sending Renn to the slaughter on the second ball. The outfield was playing shallow and the throw came from just beyond the dirt. Unless Renn was going to run the catcher over (since apparently the rules don't apply at Ole Miss), he was going to be an easy out. Running head long into a sure out is not the right call just because you can't count on the next batter driving someone in.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:39 am to Tiger1242
quote:
With 2 outs
First one was with 1 out. We made the second out at home.
If he doesn't send Freeman then it's bases loaded with 1 out.
There's a few reasons you don't send Freeman there:
1. The ball was hard hit and Freeman froze.
2. Because Freeman froze he also had no depth to his secondary lead. This caused him to have to go really wide around third. As a 3b coach you have to be aware of this.
Not to mention, your 3 hole is coming to the plate next. It's not like you were at the bottom of the order.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:45 am to UpToPar
They knew the scouting report on the CFer. Read the article in The Advocate. Mainieri and Cain were discussing his arm on the bus ride to Oxford. They knew he was more than capable of making the throw. Yet they chose to take the risk not once, but twice.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:51 am to CaroTiger
Cain regrets Freeman but not Breaux. Breaux would have been out on all but an air-mailed throw. It was the highest risk, lowest reward send I've ever seen.
If you look at it objectively
cons:
outfielder is playing shallow
ball is not deep
outfield arm is near the top of the conference
out ends the inning against an Ole Miss team that is undefeated when leading after 6
no real chance of scoring unless an error is committed
Getting a guy home from third even with two outs is easier than getting a guy all the way around with 3 outs at your disposal.
your best hitter is coming up in a big spot
pros:
can't wait around for a two out hit
we are aggressive
we made them make a play (albeit an easy play)
Breaux would have been out on all but an air-mailed throw. It was the highest risk, lowest reward send I've ever seen. If you look at it objectively
cons:
outfielder is playing shallow
ball is not deep
outfield arm is near the top of the conference
out ends the inning against an Ole Miss team that is undefeated when leading after 6
no real chance of scoring unless an error is committed
Getting a guy home from third even with two outs is easier than getting a guy all the way around with 3 outs at your disposal.
your best hitter is coming up in a big spot
pros:
can't wait around for a two out hit
we are aggressive
we made them make a play (albeit an easy play)
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:53 am to Tiger1242
It was just 1 out. Its why Freeman delayed going on the line drive. Had to make sure the SS didn't glove it. He hesitated making sure it got through before leaving. Thats the only reason he got thrown out. Otherwise he's standing up going in.
The 2nd one, I agree with sending him with 2 outs, and no promise of Fraley getting a hit. HOWEVER, Cain has to be up the line seeing where Breux is in relation to where the CF is at the time he gloves it, and knowing the arm he has. Its a judgment call that has to be made AT THAT MOMENT, so I get to sit back and second guess.
The 2nd one, I agree with sending him with 2 outs, and no promise of Fraley getting a hit. HOWEVER, Cain has to be up the line seeing where Breux is in relation to where the CF is at the time he gloves it, and knowing the arm he has. Its a judgment call that has to be made AT THAT MOMENT, so I get to sit back and second guess.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:53 am to CaroTiger
I think you have to send him the second time no matter how good the guy's arm is. Nerves could have played a factor and he could have thrown it a little off. He made a great play, tip your cap to him. Now the first one, it would be hard for anyone to get me to believe that was the right call since there was only one out.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:55 am to LSU1018
quote:
Nerves could have played a factor and he could have thrown it a little off. He made a great play, tip your cap to him.
But he didn't. We know from watching the play that Renn was out by about what, 6-7 feet. Any throw would have gotten him. That was a routine play. Breaux was going to be easily out on any throw other than one that hit the backstop.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 8:56 am to LSU1018
quote:
Nerves could have played a factor and he could have thrown it a little off. He made a great play, tip your cap to him.
Breaux was dead to rights all he had to do was get the throw in the area of home plate. That was probably the easiest assist he had all year. The throw was not even that great it was strong but up the line.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:00 am to Tiger1242
i probably wouldn't have sent him the 1st time but it's a 50/50 call there. The one in the 8th I have no problem with.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:07 am to Tiger1242
I'm all for being aggressive. There is a difference between playing aggressive and playing stupid. Anytime the outfielder is charging in and fields the ball in the shallow outfield before the runner gets to 3rd, you hold the runner.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:11 am to therick711
That's nothing but a bunch of rubbish
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:15 am to Tiger1242
quote:
We are an aggressive base running team by necessity and sometimes it's going to burn us, it sucks but it is what it is
there is a difference between being aggressive and being downright foolish.
imo, often our baserunning calls are downright foolish. trying to score from second on a shallow base hit seldom works in college. hell, most high school outfielders can nail that guy at the plate. it is FAR better to take a chance on the next batter getting a hit, a passed ball, or an error than the almost certain out at hhome.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:19 am to JustSmokin
quote:
Freeman took a couple of steps back to second base...
That 's the absolute key why it was the wrong decision to send Freeman home...
As far as being an aggressive running team and teaching aggressive running, such a statement is true but I have seen too many wrong decisions by the 3rd base coach especially in past key SEC series to absolutely warrant a change in the coach at 3rd.
And if PM doesn't make the change now he should never throw another player under the bus which are two reasons why I think Vanderbilt, Florida and South Carolina have had better recruiting over last several years.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:21 am to Tiger1242
First time is a 50/50 call. I'm not upset with that one. Just trying to make something happen. The second one though is baseball 101 no matter what some of you think. You dont make the FIRST OR LAST out at third OR home. Especially after you've seen Woodman hose one of the fastest guys on the team in earlier innings. Idc that they had 2 outs. I understand the odds of getting a hit arent great there but there is a chance. Fraley was 3-5 last night. If he was 0-5 thats a different story. Couldve thrown a passed ball or make an error in the field (wouldve been there fourth). It was the wrong call. It happens.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 9:23 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:23 am to AnonymousTiger007
I'd hate to see how you fared in Baseball 102
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:24 am to AnonymousTiger007
quote:
First time is a 50/50 call. I'm not upset with that one. Just trying to make something happen. The second one though is baseball 101 no matter what some of you think. You dont make the FIRST OR LAST out at third OR home. Especially after you've seen Woodman hose one of the fastest guys on the team in earlier innings. Idc that they had 2 outs. I understand the odds of getting a hit arent great there but there is a chance. Fraley was 3-5 last night. If he was 0-5 thats a different story. Couldve thrown a passed ball or make an error in the field (wouldve been there fourth). It was the wrong call. It happens
You are so clueless!
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