re: Saban would have won 5 NC’s if he had stayed

Miles would've won 5 if Saban stayed his arse in the NFL.
Am I playing this game right?

More like 8-10

.....he can always comeback.

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To provoke thought

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those question look more like leading questions than thought provoking to me I mean i've never heard anyone suggest we should have hired Miles who had never been a HC yet instead of Saban or that they really wish Miles was still the coach but whatever

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but what exactly is “Miles fatigue”?

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This.

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every single time the losses played like the same TV rerun — To the point that the LSU football brand was all but inseparable from dated, anemic offense

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this isn't wrong, and i agree but the 2013 offense was pretty good, sure maybe it could have been a little better, or innovative but we did lose a game that year 44-41, that's not due to anemic offense. people were quick to point out O and E set a record for most yards was an SEC team with 634 vs Missouri after they took over but we had 624 just a year before with Les and Cam against USCe. But overall the offense under Miles was not good and that became magnified after the 2012 BCS CG and subsequent games vs Alabama and his refusal to change becomes a big part of his legacy.

Ultimately though I've always agreed with what John Madden said after he retired from coaching. After 10-12 years things can get stale and its time for a change.

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I credit him fully for 2007 and for sustenance through 2011.

I don’t credit him for facilitating the golden age of LSU football

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i 100% agree with this.

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but I do credit him for damn near bringing us the end of the era.

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i think this is grossly overrated and not to sound like a broken record but also Miles Fatigue. His last full year was 9-3, not super exciting but not terrible either. Before he got fired he lost 2 games away from home on basically the last play to teams that finished that year in the top 15, hardly a "dumpster fire" but absolutely a clear case of offensive failure, namely his inability to recruit and develop a HS QB in 10 years, which is mind blowing, hell DiNardo signed 2 good ones in his first 2-3 years but anyway, the program was definitely going sideways and it was time for a change, but it was not a disaster and not anywhere close to where the program was when DiNardo or Saban was hired. LSU was in much better shape than Texas for example which had 3 straight losing seasons.

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Overall, Les brought me far more frustration as an LSU fan than he did joy.

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Thats on you. He had a very successful tenure overall, yes there were frustrating moments but also some damn good ones. 2011 alone was as fun a season as any and something i'll remember a lot longer than years like 2014. Its not ignoring his negatives, its just that they don't matter anymore.

Not so sure. We backed into the won he did win. Still the only NC with 2 losses. We could have won more with Miles if would just evolved.

There really is no way of knowing.

Does 04 turn out better if he hasn't already decided to leave?

Does he do as well as Les in the wake of Katrina?

The players wouldn't be the same.

The easier scenario would be Saban not going back to Bama. LSU would have had at least two more, that we do know.

Who cares? He didn’t stay.

We ridin now, tho.

And conversely, Les would have won 3-4 more if Saban never went to Bama. Or succeeded in the NFL.


Prove me wrong?

Les had to compete against Saban. Without that, LSU wins more titles. Saban had it easy when he was at LSU. The SEC was down.

Other than LSU, Ole Miss was the only ranked SEC west team in 2003. Only 3 other SEC teams ranked in the top 20.

In 2004, we were preseason #4 under Saban and finished with 3 losses in a year when only 4 SEC teams were ranked. If Miles did that he would have been fired.