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Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:52 am to TGK4LSU
Cmon, you know the “35 scholarship” players is false right? I think the real number was 52 or something like that but it wasn’t 35. Saban did not inherit a bunch of NFL guys, he inherited 15 counting a punter and the rest of the roster wasn’t anywhere near the quality of what we have now or in previous years. Kelly inherited multiple 1st rounders, Saban’s 2 best players were 2nd and 4th rounders. Kelly isn’t even through his first cycle of players and already 12-13 of them are NFL players that he inherited, not counting guys like JD and Speights. What you’re saying is just factually untrue.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 8:57 am to Tdubs7
Kelly has demonstrated for over two decades that he isn't capable of building a championship team.
Also, interesting that his first year here was his best, and this year, his THIRD year, he has holes all over the team in terms of talent. He is regressing, and if you think a Freshman QB is going to come into the SEC next year and fix all of our issues, you are crazy. We will be looking at 2025 the same as 2024, without major portal help.....but there will still be people like you. Saban was building a team, Kelly is destroying what was left.
Also, interesting that his first year here was his best, and this year, his THIRD year, he has holes all over the team in terms of talent. He is regressing, and if you think a Freshman QB is going to come into the SEC next year and fix all of our issues, you are crazy. We will be looking at 2025 the same as 2024, without major portal help.....but there will still be people like you. Saban was building a team, Kelly is destroying what was left.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:06 am to Madking
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Cmon, you know the “35 scholarship” players is false right? I think the real number was 52 or something like that but it wasn’t 35
Ok, it was 38
38 Roster Players
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:13 am to Mandtgr47
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but there will still be people like you.
Did I give an opinion or simply tee up a question for discussion?
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:14 am to Tdubs7
Guys. Please.
Stop doing this to people. Stop comparing Nuss to a Heisman winner and Kelly to the greatest coach of all time. Saban and JD5 are not normal results. Those guys were special at what they did and saying someone else has a good chance to end up that way just because they started out similar is so ridiculous. It’s like the OJ defense.
You guys are embarrassing yourselves and the fanbase.
Stop doing this to people. Stop comparing Nuss to a Heisman winner and Kelly to the greatest coach of all time. Saban and JD5 are not normal results. Those guys were special at what they did and saying someone else has a good chance to end up that way just because they started out similar is so ridiculous. It’s like the OJ defense.
You guys are embarrassing yourselves and the fanbase.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 9:16 am
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:16 am to TGK4LSU
12 players in the portal returned so 50.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:21 am to Tdubs7
Forget the history. Look at the present.
Is our program getting better? It looks to me as if we are trending on an even keel. Year three is about like year one of the Kelly era.
Is our program getting better? It looks to me as if we are trending on an even keel. Year three is about like year one of the Kelly era.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:35 am to Madking
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The roster was stronger going into 2022 and the level of the overall program was in much much better shape.
This is so dishonestly not true.
Losing to Kansas State 42-20 with 38 scholarship players proves that point.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:38 am to LSUZombie
No it doesn’t. Auburn was 5-6 in 1999 and beat us 41-7 so even the mental gymnastics didn’t help you on this one.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 9:39 am to abellsujr
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You guys are embarrassing yourselves and the fanbase
No dude. This is a fan forum and I simply asked who took over a worse program. It wasn't pro-Kelly or Saban. Read slower next time.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:04 am to drizztiger
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BK took over a program that had won 3 NCs in the last 20 years under 3 different coaches. LSU was considered a national brand and top tier job in CFB. LSU went 11-11 the 2 years prior to his hiring.
You forgot to mention taking over a program with less than 40 scholarship players....i think this trumps all of the before points....
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:04 am to StGeorgeTiger
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As far as the roster, BK came into a train wreck. It was a far worse situation as far as that’s concerned.
It wasn't near as bad as some make it out to be, and by far he had the easiest tools to fix it with free transfers galore, which is how he did it.
I also don't think any of the previous LSU coaches had the benefit of a QB that started 5 full years in college with the Covid free year.
Reality is that it is easier now than at any time to turn a team around in the short-term and add in what LSU's brand is now compared to back then for either Saban or DiNardo and there is on question that they had harder jobs by far.
DiNardo had no financial support for assistant coaches. Saban, while he had it better by far, was no where near what Kelly is getting.
In the end, Kelly overachieved in year 1 because of the portal, and because of horrid coaching hires on the defensive side of the ball underachieved in year 2.
Year 3, he is still underachieving because this team is nowhere near established in any way with an identity after 3 seasons.
Kelly took the shortcuts for year 1, which leads us to consistently having to use the portal to fill a large number of holes.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:55 am to Mandtgr47
quote:I agree that any and all freshmen coming in aren't automatically going to fix things immediately, but maybe you don't know there are a number of other impact players coming in the 2025 class besides the QB.
and if you think a Freshman QB is going to come into the SEC next year and fix all of our issues, you are crazy
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:08 pm to Tdubs7
But why? That’s my question. Why Saban? Aren’t there 1 million other coaches you compare the start to? A lot of coaches do good at LSU. What’s your point?
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:14 pm to abellsujr
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But why? That’s my question. Why Saban? Aren’t there 1 million other coaches you compare the start to? A lot of coaches do good at LSU. What’s your point?
My point is I remember two specific times where the program reached epic lows and was comparting the two. 99 under DiNardo and 21 under O. Were there others, sure, but my question only compared those two because they stick out to me.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:24 pm to Tdubs7
Different eras. With the transfer portal, you can be really good overnight if you get the right guys. Without the portal, you have to rely on recruiting classes.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:25 pm to Tdubs7
Things were looking up after Saban’s 3rd season
Things are looking WAY DOWN after Kelly’s 3rd year.
This team wont win 10 games next year.
Things are looking WAY DOWN after Kelly’s 3rd year.
This team wont win 10 games next year.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 2:06 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:Recent memory tells me Joe Burrow and Jayden Daniels improved greatly in their 2nd season. If he stays, maybe Nuss will do the same.
Things are looking WAY DOWN after Kelly’s 3rd year.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 3:34 pm to Geauxgurt
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Kelly took the shortcuts for year 1, which leads us to consistently having to use the portal to fill a large number of holes.
In his defense and to his credit he cobbled together a functioning OL and defensive backfield in '22 using the portal.
But I agree with your point about the portal. Once you get on it, it's a hard merry go round to get off of.
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