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re: Runner on 2nd, no outs, down by 1, top of the 6th, the only correct answer is.....
Posted on 3/28/21 at 5:35 pm to MONROE
Posted on 3/28/21 at 5:35 pm to MONROE
So we are comparing a team that every player is better than almost every college hitter to a team that might have 1 player make a MLB roster if he gets in an organization that will develop him.It’s a totally different game based on the ability of players. If you are not a stud and have exceptional talent ( college hitter)you learn situational hitting and plate discipline to improve as a player to help your team win.
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Posted on 3/28/21 at 5:41 pm to coondaddy21
In some situations yes, not today. I would've took a risk with who was up to bat too.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 7:37 pm to coondaddy21
Yep, bunt him to third, then get a homer or a sac fly.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 7:46 pm to coondaddy21
This is third the time I post this, it’s a scoring problem, not a hitting problem and this situation is a perfect example.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 7:51 pm to MrWiseGuy
With no outs? You absolutely bunt. Every time. You win games by scoring runs at every opportunity. Guy an 3rd with 1 out > guy on 2nd with 1 out. Bunt him over and concentrate on team hitting. Ground ball right side or deep fly ball to score the run. The statistics prove its more efficient than letting the batter swing it.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 7:58 pm to ibleedprplngld
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The statistics prove its more efficient than letting the batter swing it.
Can you provide these statistics? Because every deepdive I've ever seen says that bunting is the less-productive option in virtually every scenario except "bottom of the last inning, tied or down 1".
Also, bunting is like the exact opposite of efficient. You're trading your most precious commodity (outs) for moving a runner up 90 feet, thus still requiring some other action (or actions) to score a run. And that's assuming the hitter doesn't screw up (success rate for bunts has never been 100%).
The most efficient way to score is hit a homerun (tho obviously more difficult).
Posted on 3/28/21 at 8:10 pm to nps6724
Coaching decision based on watching his players and knowing how they will respond. If things work out the Coach looks great , if not, criticism. But there is no wrong or right answer in my opinion.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 8:13 pm to ibleedprplngld
This data is a little old and from MLB, but from 2010-2015, with a runner on second and no outs run expectancy for the inning is 1.1 runs. With a runner on third and one out run expectancy decreases to .95 runs.
And this doesn’t even account for the fact that the hitter at the plate has an OPS of 1.150 and the guy on deck has a OPS under .300 (albeit in a very small sample). Bunting would have been a truly terrible strategy.
And this doesn’t even account for the fact that the hitter at the plate has an OPS of 1.150 and the guy on deck has a OPS under .300 (albeit in a very small sample). Bunting would have been a truly terrible strategy.
This post was edited on 3/28/21 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 3/28/21 at 8:16 pm to ulmtiger
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Coaching decision based on watching his players and knowing how they will respond. If things work out the Coach looks great , if not, criticism. But there is no wrong or right answer in my opinion.
I mean, there is tons of historical data that shows there is a right and wrong answer outside one very specific situation. That doesn't mean the results of each individual instance will match the data, but you should be making the most optimal decision every time to have the best chance at a positive outcome.
If a bunt works, it's still a bad process that happened to have a good result.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 8:18 pm to The Seaward
Hell, Thompson bunted in the exact same situation on Saturday and Milazzo promptly struck out on 4 pitches.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 8:22 pm to nps6724
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Hell, Thompson bunted in the exact same situation on Saturday and Milazzo promptly struck out on 4 pitches
Yeah, way too much swing and miss on this team to assume you will get the runner in from third with one out.
Then when you consider this isn’t even the go ahead run and we are giving away an out from a hitter with a 1.150 OPS to rely on a guy who has barely played, it’s head-scratching how so many people think bunting is a good idea in this spot.
This post was edited on 3/28/21 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 3/28/21 at 8:34 pm to The Seaward
And even still, I'd rather hitters try to hit the ball hard instead of simply trying to make contact. How many times have we made contact but it was a popup on the infield or a GIDP? Had Milazzo popped it up, would anyone be praising him because "at least he made contact"?
Posted on 3/28/21 at 9:06 pm to The Seaward
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with a runner on second and no outs run expectancy for the inning is 1.1 runs. With a runner on third and one out run expectancy decreases to .95 runs.
^ This is the correct answer. Moneyball is the stats study.
Posted on 3/28/21 at 9:32 pm to js1591
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Yep, bunt him to third, then get a homer or a sac fly.
Another consideration is once you've moved him to third, the corners will def play in, MIF will be at DP depth. So a hard hit ground ball has the best chance to get through the infield.
Arizona beat the Yankees because the runner on third forced the infield in, allowing a blooper to drop justpast where Jeter would normally have been playing.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 6:30 am to coondaddy21
Bunt him over. There’s little leaguers who know thAt.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 6:32 am to KLSU
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Bunt your best homerun hitter?
Nah I would have done the same it just didn’t workout.
Me too, but with two strikes I would have had Doughty choke up and guide a ball to opposite. That’s where I fault them. He swung out of his shoes.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 7:02 am to coondaddy21
These days, giving away outs isn't advisable. You only have 27 outs. Make them earn all of them.
With a runner on 2nd and no outs in the 6th, again... no outs.... you have a chance to score several runs in the inning. And with plenty of game left, you try and let your hitters do the work.
In the 8th inning, down a run and a runner on 2nd with no outs... I'm ok bunting in that situation.
With a runner on 2nd and no outs in the 6th, again... no outs.... you have a chance to score several runs in the inning. And with plenty of game left, you try and let your hitters do the work.
In the 8th inning, down a run and a runner on 2nd with no outs... I'm ok bunting in that situation.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 7:15 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:Analytics actually shows this is the one situation in which bunting is the right call
No. You do not bunt.
Sorry. That is not the right answer. And anybody with any up-to-date baseball knowledge will tell you that.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 7:35 am to coondaddy21
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I don’t care who the frick is up to bat.
I can tell you've never coached before.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 7:37 am to coondaddy21
Wrong answer. You call for a left-handed pinch hitter who has a better than .300 batting average, to hit the ball sharply to the opposite field and drive in the run.
Paul Ball sucks, and I'm sick of it. Boycotting LSU baseball til I see noticable improvement--enough is enough.
Paul Ball sucks, and I'm sick of it. Boycotting LSU baseball til I see noticable improvement--enough is enough.
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