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re: Rules experts, before York’s kick.....
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:05 am to GeauxPack81
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:05 am to GeauxPack81
quote:LSU outsmarted the refs
It looks like our whole team is already lined up at the spot, and the ref just placed it in front of Skinner without thinking
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:06 am to deaux
Did it make any difference Florida called a time out.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:09 am to Stirling
The SEC office decides where the ball is placed based on how it can help Bama. In this case a UF loss...
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:18 am to Stirling
I was thinking that too, but if you watch the sequence again, after the Moore pass, no timeout was called right away, the refs hurried to spot the ball and spotted it towards the center of the field, LSU was going to snap it, then Florida called the timeout.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:21 am to GPLebl
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refs hurried to spot the ball and spotted it towards the center of
I think the ref just ran to where our LS was set up since it was a rush.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:21 am to LSU82BILL
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FWIW....from 57 yards out, the affect on the size of the angle from the difference in the hash mark to where the ball was placed is negligible.
Effect... I wouldn't say it was negligible though. The ball was placed about 4 yards inside the hash.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:29 am to LSU82BILL
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FWIW....from 57 yards out, the affect on the size of the angle from the difference in the hash mark to where the ball was placed is negligible.
It really depends on the kicker. Most, but not all, right footed kickers like to put a slight draw on the ball. Kicking from the left hash makes a draw kick easier and fits the kicker's eye better.
So for some kickers, even at that distance, just having them be a tad more comfortable with the angle can make the difference between missing and making.
I doubt the refs had any of that in mind, sounds like they just missed the spot. And it might well be that York kicks better from the middle, I do not know. But the natural spin for a right footed kicker approaching the ball from the left side is to swing in to out with his leg imparting draw spin on the ball.
I have seen right footed kickers slice the ball as well, some on purpose, some not.
In some situations the coach will ask the kicker his preferred angle and try to get the ball on that hash.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:13 am to paper tiger
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In some situations the coach will ask the kicker his preferred angle and try to get the ball on that hash.
Yep. But that's more a matter of putting the kicker in a position he is more comfortable.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 11:34 am to udtiger
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mattered to the FL kicker on the 50 yarder
The FL kicker was on the right hash which would decrease the size of the angle compared to being closer to the exact middle of the field but he was also 6 yards closer which increases the size of the angle. I'm not doing the math to figure out who had the better angle. York's placement was left of dead center from 57 and the FL kicker was on the right hash from 51. I'm guessing that 9 out of 10 right footed kickers would prefer the UF kicker's spot.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 12:26 pm to MakeMoney
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This is correct
This is dead arse wrong. Typical millennial, just run your mouth about anything
Posted on 12/18/20 at 12:44 pm to GPLebl
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I was thinking that too, but if you watch the sequence again, after the Moore pass, no timeout was called right away, the refs hurried to spot the ball and spotted it towards the center of the field, LSU was going to snap it, then Florida called the timeout.
Assuming the refs spotted the ball incorrectly, I’m sure the time situation played a huge role. The clock was running and LSU was already lining up for the FG. There’s a ton of pressure on the ref in that situation to get the ball spotted and get out of the way.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:06 pm to Stirling
I believe this is correct.
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SECTION 4. Field Goal
How Scored ARTICLE 1.
a. A field goal shall be scored for the kicking team if a drop kick or place kick passes over the crossbar between the uprights of the receiving team’s goal before it touches a player of the kicking team or the ground. The kick shall be a scrimmage kick but may not be a free kick.
b. If a legal field goal attempt passes over the crossbar between the uprights and is dead beyond the end line or is blown back but does not return over the crossbar and is dead anywhere, it shall score a field goal. The crossbar and uprights are treated as a line, not a plane, in determining forward progress of the ball.
Next Play ARTICLE 2.
a. Successful field goal. After a field goal is scored, the ball shall be put in play by a kickoff or at the succeeding spot in extra periods. The team scoring the field goal shall kick off.
b. Unsuccessful field-goal attempt.
1. When the ball is declared dead beyond the neutral zone and is untouched by Team B beyond the neutral zone, it belongs to Team B. Except in an extra period Team B will snap the ball at the previous spot unless the previous spot was between its 20-yard line and the goal line. In that case Team B will next snap the ball at its 20-yard line. The 20-yard-line snap shall be from midway between the hash marks unless Team B selects a different location on or between the hash marks before the ready-forplay signal. After the ready-for-play signal, the ball may be relocated after a charged team timeout, unless preceded by a Team A foul or offsetting fouls.
2. If the ball does not cross the neutral zone or if Team B touches the ball beyond the neutral zone, all rules pertaining to scrimmage kicks apply (A.R. 6-3-4-II, A.R. 8-4-2-I-VI and A.R. 10-2-3-V).
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:11 pm to reagancajun
That is referring to the placement of the ball, for the opposing team, after a field goal attempt is missed and they get the ball back.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:27 pm to LSU82BILL
quote:no, it’s the opposite.
51. I'm guessing that 9 out of 10 right footed kickers would prefer the UF kicker's spot.
Right footed kickers often have a slight draw (right to left ball flight). From far away, the draw has more impact because at the end of the flight, the draw makes the ball move left at a sharper angle than for a shorter kick. So right footed kickers prefer to kick from the left hash, because even with the draw, the ball is traveling pretty much straight when it gets to the goal post
Similar for a golfer with a draw. They tee the ball on the left side of the tee box to account for the right to left ball flight.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:35 pm to GPLebl
Heady play by the long snapper. That’s called having players with a high football acumen. How does a team acquire high football acumen. Elite coaching.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:36 pm to GPLebl
Was just a goof by the refs, they missed it. Cade York is money and really confident so I think he makes that kick regardless especially if he prefers the left hash anyway.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:39 pm to atltiger6487
Reminds me of a Les Miles story. Forget which game, but we were setting up for a field goal to end the game. One more rushing play then kick the field goal.
So Les asks our kicker if he feels good about the distance and placement and the kicker replies "anywhere but the right hash line coach."
Guess where the next running play went.
So Les asks our kicker if he feels good about the distance and placement and the kicker replies "anywhere but the right hash line coach."
Guess where the next running play went.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:41 pm to GeauxPack81
D'oh! You're right. Thanks for catching that.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:43 pm to mmcgrath
Found the game
It was a 50 yard kick to beat Florida 30-27 in the Swamp.
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Miles may need to work on his caddying skills, however. When he asked Delahoussaye from which hash he would prefer to kick a game winning field goal after LSU defensive back Rickey Jefferson’ interception and return set the play up, Delahoussaye said, “If I had to choose in a perfect world, anywhere but the right.”
But after tailback Terrence Magee’s run off right tackle for three yards to the 33 and an incomplete pass, Delahoussaye had to kick from the right hash. Thanks, coach.
“I kinda laughed,” Delahoussaye said.
It was a 50 yard kick to beat Florida 30-27 in the Swamp.
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:48 pm to WaterLink
quote:I also should mentioned that the right hash made a difference to the UF kicker, because he started the ball dead center, but the draw brought it wide left.
Was just a goof by the refs, they missed it. Cade York is money and really confident so I think he makes that kick regardless especially if he prefers the left hash anyway.
For a kick of that length from the right hash, a kicker would need to start the ball just inside the right upright, to account for the draw bringing the ball left.
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