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re: Really think about Les Miles. And how amazing LSU won despite him.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:31 am to 904
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:31 am to 904
quote:This just isn't true. Badger getting kicked off the team along with Copeland's idiocy cost them one game in TS. Vadal Alexander reacting to a Bama player cost them another game in TS. Jefferson had 2 wins over Bama.
Saban routinely played Les like a fiddle despite similar talent on the field every November.
The gap didn't begin until Harris.
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:38 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:If it was so easy to win at LSU, why couldn't Mike Archer do it? Dinardo? Curly?
The guy was a product of nothing more than the LA home talent wanting to stay home despite the person at the helm being a bumbling idiot.
The guy made generational money for his family literally being a moron.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:51 am to Covingtontiger77
You're wasting your time. There's a Les Miles cult on here that still worships him. They'll never admit how incompetent he was.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:53 am to TigerMac81
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You're wasting your time. There's a Les Miles cult on here that still worships him. They'll never admit how incompetent he was.
yup sad
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:31 am to Fat Bastard
I will say this… with Les as the coach and with his modest imagination, teams basically knew what as coming and still had a problem stopping it…. Gotta give him credit for playing big 10 football in the passing era.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:37 am to dukke v
Winning that title made Les an egomaniac who became more pressed about his goofy aura with the huge white hat and the weather resistant purple pullover and winning every press conference with some new zany rocket of a joke than doing what it took to stay at the top. Couple that with his loyalty to a fault, poor in game coaching and unwillingness to adapt and it was always gonna end one day. Some high highs and unnecessarily low lows. Some wildly close games that should’ve been cake walks and some mystifying defeats. He could recruit but like Will Wade he was more a recruit assembler than a roster builder.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:54 am to Covingtontiger77
Miles had some glaring weaknesses on gameday but you dont get as far as he did without being good at something.
Obviously he was a good recruiter and talent evaluator. His stubborness actually helped when he had the better team (which was about 90% of the time, thanks to the talent he piled up.) it did get frustrating when every game was a nail-biter even vs weaker competition, and later when he didnt always have the best talent, and was arrogant/stubborn late in his career and refused to change.
One thing i think is overlooked is his blind optimism. That spilled over to his teams and is the reason we/he got so "lucky" in games and was able to pull out wins that could have easily been losses.
Obviously he was a good recruiter and talent evaluator. His stubborness actually helped when he had the better team (which was about 90% of the time, thanks to the talent he piled up.) it did get frustrating when every game was a nail-biter even vs weaker competition, and later when he didnt always have the best talent, and was arrogant/stubborn late in his career and refused to change.
One thing i think is overlooked is his blind optimism. That spilled over to his teams and is the reason we/he got so "lucky" in games and was able to pull out wins that could have easily been losses.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:01 am to Covingtontiger77
Then explain how amazing we were under Archer, Hallman, DiNardo.
I'm not saying Les Miles deserves all the commendations for his NC and 10-win seasons, but come on....this take is way out of bounds.
I'm not saying Les Miles deserves all the commendations for his NC and 10-win seasons, but come on....this take is way out of bounds.
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his Les lawsuit has me reminiscing about his tenure.
He really really was a poor poor coach.
Yet despite him at the helm the talent won him a NC.
I have spoke to a quite a few of his former players and I ask them all the time about their recruitment by him.
They say he spoke and was exactly as he put forth in the media- aloof and disconnected.
I follow up and ask, “yet, you still chose to play for him?”
Most answer, “I wanted to be a Tiger.”
The guy was a product of nothing more than the LA home talent wanting to stay home despite the person at the helm being a bumbling idiot.
The guy made generational money for his family literally being a moron.
America.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:03 am to Covingtontiger77
Les was terrific with personnel and recruiting. You have to give it to him. He was really good at finding assistant coaches who can recruit, and he was a terrific recruiter himself, despite some of the major in-state losses (ie Collins, McKnight, Robinson), which is an enormous aspect of winning consistently. Outside of that, he was awful.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:14 am to dukke v
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Gotta give him credit for playing big 10 football in the passing era.
passing era?
you had just as many run centered teams as pass. u can run from spread for mations also,.
you still had run first teams who ran spread option(oregon) and power spread(meyer)
not all were running air raid(leach) or pro style spread(see brady)
miles like dinardo liked to run and impose his will. even against 8 and 9 man fronts. did not turn out too smart when trying that against bama and good teams. "WE MUST ATTACK THE STRENGTH" was one of the stupidest things that came out that morons mouth.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 9:15 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:30 am to Covingtontiger77
Something i have thought about.. BK appears to be a way better x's and o's and program coach than Miles or O, but that might be nullified in this new era of NIL/transfer. he might not have the success that they had because its a whole new ballgame with the new rules i think recruiting might trump on field coaching and program building.
In this Wild West era of college football, i really think Coach O would thrive. Assuming he was the young ,hungry Coach O , not the mail it in post-2019 Coach O.
In this Wild West era of college football, i really think Coach O would thrive. Assuming he was the young ,hungry Coach O , not the mail it in post-2019 Coach O.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:35 pm to Covingtontiger77
Great recruiter, always got the parents on board, especially the moms for the most part and sealed the deal.
His game planning was that of a neanderthal. He could overpower you, but not outthink you. Then he would do something ridiculous and get it to work.
I'll be grateful for the 'ship, but he really should've won about 5-10 more big games over the course of his career, not to mention a second 'ship.
His game planning was that of a neanderthal. He could overpower you, but not outthink you. Then he would do something ridiculous and get it to work.
I'll be grateful for the 'ship, but he really should've won about 5-10 more big games over the course of his career, not to mention a second 'ship.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:50 pm to Covingtontiger77
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They say he spoke and was exactly as he put forth in the media- aloof and disconnected.
Nobody says that, because it’s not true. He put on a soft, quirky front to the media. In reality, he was a mean, salty mofo that fired the team up. He took pride in his team’s physical preparation and loved to see big hits in practice and in games. He and O were more alike on the practice field than people know. His downfall was a stubbornness to adapt to a changing game and his teams couldn’t just assert their will over the other teams, namely Bama.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:51 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:I think that gets misrepresented a bunch...
miles like dinardo liked to run and impose his will. even against 8 and 9 man fronts. did not turn out too smart when trying that against bama and good teams. "WE MUST ATTACK THE STRENGTH" was one of the stupidest things that came out that morons mouth.
LSU's strength was running the football. Obviously every team that played us "attacked the strength" of Miles' teams. And the ONLY team that had success against us doing that was Alabama under Saban.
A better way of stating it would have been pitting strength vs strength, and Miles' approach was that LSU was not going to back down just because a team went to 9 man fronts. He had confidence his team would eventually overpower the opponent, no matter what. If you look at the 9-6 OT game in 2011, this even happened against Alabama. In the 4th quarter and OT, LSU eventually started breaking off big runs against them.
I know people love to bitch about everything, but we had Leonard Fournette, who was single-handedly murdering teams prior to that game. He was the clear frontrunner for the Heisman that season, up until that game. We were stunned that he couldn't do ANYTHING, because nobody thought he'd get completely shut down.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 4:19 pm to Covingtontiger77
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He really really was a poor poor coach.
This is some revisionist history. Was he an elite coordinator, no, but he had great trick play timing, recruited well, and his players would run through walls for him. Not every coach is Shanahan or Belichick. He was stale at the end, but nobody really wanted to play those LSU teams during his run.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:05 pm to KWL85
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Saban left in 2004, and didn't have a good recruiting class lined up that year.
ALL of Saban's players were gone by 2009; LSU's record after that:
2010 11-2
2011 13-1
Lets pretend a BCS champion coach and Heisman producer wasnt still here after Saban left. Jimbo left after 2006. He produced an offense with the #1 pick, and then a QB who won the BCS MVP and natl championship. Jimbos 5th year Srs didnt leave until after 2011.
And it was the offense that ended Les
Posted on 6/21/24 at 7:17 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Downvoters, please list what Les was good at.
I guess winning doesn’t count right?
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:09 pm to TigerMac81
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You're wasting your time. There's a Les Miles cult on here that still worships him. They'll never admit how incompetent he was.
I think the cult would be the other way. The cult that can’t get by their resentment for the guy. I’ve been in this thread defending him and i certainly didn’t worship Miles. Liked him, loved him, got tired of him, and it ended with me hating him and wanting him gone. But he has been gone almost 8 years. After the down years post 2019 of Coach O and dealing with this complete lack of defense in the BK era. I have come to appreciate the Miles era. It needed to end but looking back, there were good years especially defensively which we haven’t seen since the Miles Era. The cult are the ones who need to get over the hate and resentment. It has been 8 years!
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:37 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Let's pretend you have a functioning brain and aren't blinded by your hate for Miles because he played Jefferson over Lee.
Lets pretend a BCS champion coach and Heisman producer wasnt still here after Saban left. Jimbo left after 2006.
Fisher left in 2006. Miles won a natty in 2007. Fisher had no part of the natty winning offense. That was Crowton's offense. So your argument has NO merit.
quote:Fisher followed Bowden, and drove the Ferrari that Bowden built. He had three Top Ten seasons including one natty. He never made it back to the natty game.
Fisher produced an offense with the #1 pick, and then a QB who won the BCS MVP and natl championship. Jimbos 5th year Srs didnt leave until after 2011.
And it was the offense that ended Les
Miles had five Top Ten seasons and made it to the natty game twice. Fisher didn't last as long as Miles. Fisher drove the FSU program into the ground. Then Fisher continued his fraud at Texas A&M, and he took another successful program and drove it into the ground.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 11:33 pm to Honest Tune
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Remember when everyone used to think “damn, why doesn’t LSU ever have good quarterback play?” and then they fired Les… then LSU proceeds to have TWO Heisman winners at the position for the next two coaches’ tenures? Yea that was fun.
You have to consider the era. You could say the same thing about the offense Saban ran for the first 10 years of his tenure. It wasn't until Tua that they began to have great QB play. I am by no means comparing Miles to Saban as a head coach and you certainly cant compare the overall success of each them but you can compare the eras in which they competed and the two teams have had similar offensive styles year to year since Saban took over at Bama.
And whether you consider Miles a great coach or not, he ran arguably the second best program nationally over a 10 year stretch.
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