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re: Rabalais “CWS less summer leaves many questions about LSU, most are bad
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:52 pm to TrueTigerTale
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:52 pm to TrueTigerTale
Gonna throw some stats out here and tell me if this sounds like a dominant program... LSU is now 5-4 under Mainieri at home in Super Regionals. AT HOME. They’ve never won a road regional under him. The last two years LSU is playing
.650 ball overall. They are 32-28 in conference. They are 13-9 against in State opponents, 11-29 in road games. The team ERA is 4.77 and the team BA is .278. Am I missing something? This isn’t a great program under him. It’s just not. The stats bear it out. And there’s no Alex Box mystique. No home field advantage. If you are barely above .500 in three game series to go to Omaha in your park, you ain’t dominating or intimidating anyone. Paul Mainieri is exceptionally mediocre. Is that what the program with more resources than any other in college baseball should be happy with? Being... eh, okay...?
.650 ball overall. They are 32-28 in conference. They are 13-9 against in State opponents, 11-29 in road games. The team ERA is 4.77 and the team BA is .278. Am I missing something? This isn’t a great program under him. It’s just not. The stats bear it out. And there’s no Alex Box mystique. No home field advantage. If you are barely above .500 in three game series to go to Omaha in your park, you ain’t dominating or intimidating anyone. Paul Mainieri is exceptionally mediocre. Is that what the program with more resources than any other in college baseball should be happy with? Being... eh, okay...?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:39 pm to Fat Bastard
Alex Box Mystique?
The crowds were phenomenal for both regional and super regional and on par with any regionals hosted at LSU that I can remember.
I don't care where you play, when you make as many mistakes as LSU made in the two games against FSU you are not going to make it out of a regional or super regional.
They almost overcame most of the mistakes and it's probably a miracle LSU was even in the first game with ten walks and actually led most of it.
They definitely had their chances in game 2 and had they found a way to win that one, I think they use that motivation and come out and win game 3.
The crowds were phenomenal for both regional and super regional and on par with any regionals hosted at LSU that I can remember.
I don't care where you play, when you make as many mistakes as LSU made in the two games against FSU you are not going to make it out of a regional or super regional.
They almost overcame most of the mistakes and it's probably a miracle LSU was even in the first game with ten walks and actually led most of it.
They definitely had their chances in game 2 and had they found a way to win that one, I think they use that motivation and come out and win game 3.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:45 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:Unfortunately, many of our “fans” are perfectly fine with mediocre baseball.
Gonna throw some stats out here and tell me if this sounds like a dominant program... LSU is now 5-4 under Mainieri at home in Super Regionals. AT HOME. They’ve never won a road regional under him. The last two years LSU is playing .650 ball overall. They are 32-28 in conference. They are 13-9 against in State opponents, 11-29 in road games. The team ERA is 4.77 and the team BA is .278. Am I missing something? This isn’t a great program under him. It’s just not. The stats bear it out. And there’s no Alex Box mystique. No home field advantage. If you are barely above .500 in three game series to go to Omaha in your park, you ain’t dominating or intimidating anyone. Paul Mainieri is exceptionally mediocre. Is that what the program with more resources than any other in college baseball should be happy with? Being... eh, okay...?
I certainly am not. I wouldn’t be upset if Mainieri were fired today. We could and should be a much better program. No more excuses.
This is the same exact situation we were in with Les Miles. A coach who wins just enough to keep the sunshine pumpers happy, but will never win a championship. They’re a bunch of pussies who accept mediocrity because they’re afraid that “We can’t hire anyone better.” fricking pathetic.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:22 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:pm defenders claim that there can't be a dominant program any more. there's too much parity. however, bama is definitely dominating cfb and baseball is does not have more parity than cfb. no way. coach k is clearly at the top of cbb and baseball does not have more parity than cbb. no way.
a dominant program
second, there is a middle ground between where lsu was in the 90's or dominating and where lsu is now. several other programs are in that space despite a lesser investment in the sport. if i'm ad, i'm not seeing an roi commensurate with my investment in the sport. that calls for significant changes, whatever those options are.
quote:i have not oversimplified the issue and just given lsu expectations out of context. i am looking at the landscape of college baseball and lsu is getting surpassed by other programs. what's ironic is the pm defenders scoff at those programs and their coaches yet, they are outperforming pm in cws results.
Gonna throw some stats out
quote:"great" is a subjective word. pm has been very very good. the way i would describe it is he is falling just short of where the program should be. there's not many programs that have won as much as he has however, the bar is slightly higher than that for the premier program.
This isn’t a great program under him
quote:pm defenders assert that lsu is not clearly #1 in facilities. they are wrong and i have factually substantiated that multiple times. lsu is 2nd to none in regards to facilities. other programs have closed the gap in some regards but no one is across the board superior. think about what's happening. the pm bots are denigrating their own team in order to prop up pm. i can't fathom why that is the case. does he have incriminating evidence on them?
there’s no Alex Box mystique. No home field advantage
quote:this is the question i have been asking for at least 3 years now. lesser programs are surpassing lsu. why are people ok with that? why are they making excuses?
Is that what the program with more resources than any other in college baseball should be happy with?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:23 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:this is why the board is so divided. pm is winning a lot. it's just not quite enough for the premier program and that is not clear cut. it's subtle
A coach who wins just enough to keep the sunshine pumpers happy
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:37 pm to bfniii
Paul, be the bigger man, pick up the phone and call Holy Cross High School.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:54 pm to bfniii
Exactly. That’s another excuse, “Parity.” I wonder if Vanderbilt, Florida, UNC, Louisville, freaking Texas Tech, think about Parity. A lot of those teams are there regularly. Why isn’t that LSU? Since 2009, we’ve been beaten out 4 times at home. The only parity I see, is LSU at home more than they should be.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:24 pm to TrueTigerTale
Why so many pitcher injuries year after year
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:24 pm to Tiger on the Rag
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Why so many pitcher injuries year after year
Year after year?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:47 pm to bfniii
quote:Uh, no he’s not. We’re 79-57 over the past two seasons. 32-28 in SEC play. That’s not “a lot” in my book.
pm is winning a lot.
That’s a .580 winning percentage overall and .533 in SEC play. That’s not acceptable with this program.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:49 pm to Howyouluhdat
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No you don't but you do have to have solid pitching and LSU relied heavily on freshman this year. It was evident we didn't have an ace on the staff so to speak. Walker and Hess were not what they were projected to be. I think the pitching staff held there own in a few games(in the postseason) that the hitting did not. No excuse for the lack of production at the plate. The only changes that need to be made are addressing the staff as far as the offense is concerned. That has to be figured out and if PM does not change anything going into next year and the results are the same I think PM needs to be talked into retiring. 3 years in a row would be completely inexcusable
My internal projections for Hess as the #1 for 2019 went very accurately. It is also very difficult to project how a guy does his first season back from TJ, Walker fits that profile and will likely be consistently better next season. The pitching staff returning for next season should be much better and deeper than what has returned the past few seasons. I mean, the last time in Omaha LSU again had a very thin pitching staff and losing Walker at the end did them in. I don't think this team had very good player leadership, either. My biggest issue with this team was the same repetitive poor decisions in the field (even many WTF moments on terrible throws to 1B), catching prior to Garza settling in, and the hole of suck throwing down to 2B. Saw very little plate protection to extend AB's. I don't attempt to understand the massive number of pitching injuries other than the program needs to change/improve to protect arms. With no guys being able to supplant Hughes and Broussard, and needing to recall Reid, no one should be surprised with how this season went. If PM makes no staff changes things will get interesting in 2020.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:10 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:i'm looking strictly at cws results. i couldn't care less about regular season games in a sport with a robust postseason tournament.
Uh, no he’s not. We’re 79-57 over the past two seasons. 32-28 in SEC play
at the cws since 2010, pm is in the top 10. that is really respectable nationally. that is definitely elite. however, lsu is not just another good program. lsu is the premier program and i have substantiated this multiple ways multiple times. lsu should be 2nd to none in cws wins, especially over a 10 season period.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:13 pm to bfniii
I agree. LSU should be the most successful program in the nation. We’re far from it.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:13 pm to tirebiter
quote:even with these factors, lsu returned more production than any team in the country. it's the reason they started #1. the injuries were not really a factor at the end of the year. lsu had plenty of healthy, experienced arms and position players. the pitching should have been better. the baserunning should have been better. the defense could have been a little better. the hitting could have been a little better. it was across the board and they ended up losing a home series to a team that got into the tourney for sentimental reasons.
With no guys being able to supplant Hughes and Broussard, and needing to recall Reid, no one should be surprised with how this season went
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:11 pm to moneyg
How about hiring someone that can be the recruiting coordinator and hitting coach.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:06 pm to Ponchy Tiger
It would be the perfect hire, LSU hiring someone who could be both a great recruiting coordinator and a great hitting coach. LSU has both the money and the facilities, make it happen.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 10:04 pm to bhtigerfan
Same people that kept LM around too long have kept PM around too long IMHO.
So, in this case it will take some type of steep, sudden decline before some new coach gets a shot to bring LSU BB back to elite status again.
Will the new AD see things differently? We shall see.
So, in this case it will take some type of steep, sudden decline before some new coach gets a shot to bring LSU BB back to elite status again.
Will the new AD see things differently? We shall see.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:31 pm to LSUJML
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How about hiring someone that can be the recruiting coordinator and hitting coach.
Oh, you mean someone like...Andy Cannizaro? Because I'm pretty sure he probably knows how to do that job. Hint Hint, I don't care if he's banging coeds 2 or 3 at a time if they're legal. But I do care about not getting swept by a #3 seed at home in a Super.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:27 am to sportjunkie69
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Hint Hint, I don't care if he's banging coeds 2 or 3 at a time if they're legal.
Do you care if he’s obsessively texting these coeds to the detriment of his job and the team?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:32 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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If by suck you mean playing a SR in Alex Box next season
Did you thank Mike Martin for allowing us to play a SR at Alex Box as he departed for Omaha?
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