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Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:04 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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If by suck you mean playing a SR in Alex Box next season, yeah he would most likely be fine until 2021.
He deserves no credit for backing into hosting a Super Regional this season. FSU deserves the credit for us being able to host.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:06 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Name me a hitting coach he should hire that would be willing to come as a volunteer.
None. Staff shake up is a must. If the means losing Cain, so be it. But having a real hitting coach is a priority.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:10 am to Gutsandbutts
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those poor decisions (not walking their best hitter with first base open)
You post a novel about what you expect but in all likelihood the man on deck was a greater threat. The thoughtful decision was made. You just don’t like the result.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:22 am to tigerfoot
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You post a novel about what you expect but in all likelihood the man on deck was a greater threat. The thoughtful decision was made. You just don’t like the result.
This is ABSOLUTE BS!!! It's been shown in every which way that Mendoza was and still is the bigger threat against top tier competition in ACC and post-season play. Not to mention the strategic advantage of walking the left-handed hitter to create the force at second and third to a right-handed hitter. It was the wrong decision to pitch to Mendoza when the only runner is in scoring position with 2 outs and there's no force out at second or third, and there's really no defending it. Hindsight is 20/20, and It may have ended in the same way with a base hit from Martin, but it would've been the correct strategy to walk him. It was a gut decision from Maineri that went against all odds and proved to be wrong, NOT a thoughtful one.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:24 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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If by suck you mean playing a SR in Alex Box next season, yeah he would most likely be fine until 2021.
No offense I know what you are saying, but LSU lucked out. Georgia should have hosted. Being a top 8 seed and not being a top 8 seed makes a difference.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:41 am to LSUJML
Expectations for LSU program. Normal contract window is 5 years.
5 out of 5 years hosting a regional.
4 out of 5 years hosting a super regional
Minimum 2 out 5 years, make it to Omaha. And not go 0-2 at minimum 1 of those years.
As the program that invests the most money in its program, it’s a failure of a season to not host. And to not be a top 8 team, is pretty much a failure too.
5 out of 5 years hosting a regional.
4 out of 5 years hosting a super regional
Minimum 2 out 5 years, make it to Omaha. And not go 0-2 at minimum 1 of those years.
As the program that invests the most money in its program, it’s a failure of a season to not host. And to not be a top 8 team, is pretty much a failure too.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:57 am to TheOfficial
quote:All of this.
Expectations for LSU program. Normal contract window is 5 years. 5 out of 5 years hosting a regional. 4 out of 5 years hosting a super regional Minimum 2 out 5 years, make it to Omaha. And not go 0-2 at minimum 1 of those years. As the program that invests the most money in its program, it’s a failure of a season to not host. And to not be a top 8 team, is pretty much a failure too.
This is a perennial top 5 program in terms of facilities, fan support, tradition, funding and recruiting. We are currently not a top 5 program.
That is all on Mainieri. I’m tired of the excuses.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:22 am to Weaver
LSU definitely lucked out hosting a Super regional. No one should disagree with that opinion.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:26 am to TheOfficial
quote:Do we invest the most money into our program? Vandy? Aggie? I think those guys are spending as much if not more. I know a few years ago Tennessee was spending more
As the program that invests the most money in its program, it’s a failure of a season to not host. And to not be a top 8 team, is pretty much a failure too.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:40 am to bhtigerfan
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That is all on Mainieri. I’m tired of the excuses.
But, but, but.... what about injuries?
I guess the next man up means nothing anymore? At a program like LSU, the next guy should not be a drop off. Not an excuse.
But, but, but.... no real hitting coach will come be a volunteer. Absolutely true. That’s why you pay one. If that means, Cain is gone or in a voluntary role, so be it.
But, but, but... no coach will want to come if you fire him 2 years after a CWS trip. Absolutely true. No coach that’s worthy of being at the helm will come, so that’s a positive. And why would you want a coach that’s scared of high expectations? Should we lower our expectations to attract another lame duck mediocre coach?
Anyone who feels that CPM deserves to be the coach at LSU for another second, is part of the problem.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:42 am to LSUJML
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Again, a Super Regional is substandard?
For the pre-season #1 team in the country with the #1 recruiting class coming in, you're damn right it is.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:47 am to TheOfficial
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Expectations for LSU program. Normal contract window is 5 years.
5 out of 5 years hosting a regional.
4 out of 5 years hosting a super regional
Minimum 2 out 5 years, make it to Omaha. And not go 0-2 at minimum 1 of those years.
As the program that invests the most money in its program, it’s a failure of a season to not host. And to not be a top 8 team, is pretty much a failure too.
How long does a new Coach have to meet those expectations?
Say CPM retires, how long does the new HC have to meet those expectations?
You also have to assume he will bring in his own staff
Does he get fired if he doesn’t host year 1?
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As the program that invests the most money in its program,
Link?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:09 pm to TheOfficial
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Expectations for LSU program. Normal contract window is 5 years. 5 out of 5 years hosting a regional. 4 out of 5 years hosting a super regional Minimum 2 out 5 years, make it to Omaha. And not go 0-2 at minimum 1 of those years.
In the 90s sure. Times have changed and those are not realistic expectations. College baseball is very competitive. Hosting Supers 4/5 is near impossible.
By virtue of playing in the SEC you risk not hosting a regional because of accumulated losses in conference play.
I do think LSU has issues to be addressed though.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:40 pm to ProfFrink
“LSU has issues to be addressed”
Will Mainieri address LSU’s base/running issues. will he address LSU’s lack of offense in the lineup, we he address LSU’s lack of left handed pitchers? These are all correctable, would very likely get LSU in Omaha if they were, but will they be addressed by LSU staff? It burns me to see correctable things go unaddressed, Miles had this problem.
Will Mainieri address LSU’s base/running issues. will he address LSU’s lack of offense in the lineup, we he address LSU’s lack of left handed pitchers? These are all correctable, would very likely get LSU in Omaha if they were, but will they be addressed by LSU staff? It burns me to see correctable things go unaddressed, Miles had this problem.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/11/19 at 12:51 pm to TrueTigerTale
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he address LSU’s lack of left handed pitchers?
This has been addressed, there are 2 coming in & McMurray
The rest depends on if there are changes in the staff
I also think you see more vocal leadership on the team next season
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:51 pm to Jeff Goldblum
quote:exactly. and what i object to is the excuse making.
If we weren't in the strongest BB conference, we don't host a regional. If we lose the first game of the tournament, we don't host a regional. If Georgia doesn't lose their eegional, we don't host a SR. Lets be honest, an LSU team that was predicted to be a top 3 team needed several breaks to host a SR.
well, stony brook had better players.
well, cc eventually won it all
well, osu eventually won it all
well, there was a lot of turnover after 2017
well, other programs have closed the gap/this isn't the 90's anymore
well, we've been a national seed/won so many regular season games
etc
at what point are the excuses too much? saban isn't making excuses. duke/uk aren't making excuses. they are getting it done in the postseason better than anyone else despite intense competition
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:53 pm to LSUJML
quote:it depends on what everyone else is doing. and over the last several years, pm's results have been surpassed by several other programs.
What is acceptable?
Going to Omaha?
Are you ok with going to Omaha every season but going 2&Q?
Or does it have to be the finals?
Can LSU lose in the CWS finals every year & it’s acceptable?
Or does LSU have to win at least every other year?
I’m just trying to see what exactly is acceptable
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:56 pm to Cracking
quote:debatable
Maineri is doing it right now at the minimum acceptable standard
quote:so despite the last decade of cws results, we still need another year to make an evaluation?
next year will be a true test of the direction he's taking the program
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:59 pm to tigerfoot
quote:yes. by a lot. i've posted the d.o.e. figures before.
Do we invest the most money into our program? Vandy? Aggie?
quote:wrong. completely wrong.
I think those guys are spending as much if not more
quote:link?
I know a few years ago Tennessee was spending more
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