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Question for those blaming Mason Taylor for the blocked xp at the end of the game

Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:25 am
Posted by YMCA
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Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:25 am
How was that his fault? I rewatched it on YouTube and there was no way he was stopping that rush.

He had 3 guy over him. When the guy next to him blocked down, that left Taylor with a guy going around his outside to try and block the kick and two going to his inside and he had absolutely no help. By comparison, there we only two outside guys on the opposite side and they didn’t rush at all.

In my opinion this was on the special teams coach.

XP block
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279402 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:27 am to
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In my opinion this was on the special teams coach.


Well yea. Because he didn’t teach Taylor who to block
Posted by chinesebandit76
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
515 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:30 am to
First, block someone. Second, block the inside guy. He is a freshman, in his first college game. Coaches did not put him in a position to be successful. He will learn.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
30565 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:33 am to
Everything has to go perfect for the outside guy to block the kick. You block the biggest threat and that’s the inside guy that has a direct path to ball. You learn this in high school.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44307 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:33 am to
quote:

How was that his fault? I rewatched it on YouTube and there was no way he was stopping that rush.

He had 3 guy over him. When the guy next to him blocked down, that left Taylor with a guy going around his outside to try and block the kick and two going to his inside and he had absolutely no help. By comparison, there we only two outside guys on the opposite side and they didn’t rush at all.

In my opinion this was on the special teams coach.


You’re right. There’s no way he could block 3 guys.

He could have blocked one though, and preferably the correct one. You work inside out in that situation.

Posted by BayouBengals90
Nashville
Member since Jan 2009
1747 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:34 am to
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In my opinion this was on the special teams coach.


I think the entirety of the game was on the special teams coach.
Posted by Big Gorilla
Bossier City
Member since Oct 2020
5486 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:34 am to
You NEVER let the inside guy free on special teams. Kids learn that in HS. But yea, the coaches should have reminded them.
Posted by ImayGoLesMiles
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Feb 2015
12709 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:36 am to
No matter what or who missed the block, it's on the St coach. The loss last night was on the special teams coach. We were shitty on special teams and it cost us the game.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9728 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:36 am to
The guy on the outside isn’t likely to get there fast enough to block the kick. The guy on the inside is. That’s why They say you should always block down on field goals. Allowing a free rusher inside is exponentially worse than allowing a free rusher off the edge.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111237 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:49 am to
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How was that his fault?
He didn't block anyone, specifically the inside guy.
quote:

When the guy next to him blocked down, that left Taylor with a guy going around his outside to try and block the kick and two going to his inside and he had absolutely no help.
Then block the inside most guy, not blocking anyone isn't ideal.
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
4923 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:50 am to
Always block inside guy. Watching that made me sick all over again
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13334 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:50 am to
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Everything has to go perfect for the outside guy to block the kick. You block the biggest threat and that’s the inside guy that has a direct path to ball. You learn this in high school.
Yup.

Kicking blocking is the first and original zone blocking scheme. Except that zone is always to the inside.

The defense can always outflank you. It's just a matter of time, literally. So don't help them out by shortening their time to launch point.

ETA: my problem is the same "flaw" happened in the first half. It's not a mistake if it happens more than once.
This post was edited on 9/5/22 at 9:53 am
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44307 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:52 am to
quote:

The defense can always outflank you. It's just a matter of time, literally. So don't help them out by shortening their time to launch point.


Exactly. It’s a numbers game.

You’re always going to have 1 fewer blocker than rusher, sometimes 2 fewer.
Posted by craycray
S. Lake Tahoe
Member since Jan 2018
585 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Everything has to go perfect for the outside guy to block the kick. You block the biggest threat and that’s the inside guy that has a direct path to ball. You learn this in high school.


most basic rule of xpt protection. learned first day of high school special teams practice. I can hear my coach now "you dumbass, make outside guy run the hump to block the kick"
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56638 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:57 am to
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there we only two outside guys on the opposite side and they didn’t rush at all.



Oh, so we just go honor system and shift our guy over?

Jesus. Taylor blocks the inside guy and we are good, he didnt. The outside guys are he kickers and holders responsibility.
Posted by lashinala
End of 565
Member since Jan 2006
5721 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 9:58 am to
If Kelly would have added a second finger (or just opt the middle one up for show) this would be a moot point. Extra points are essential, but teams PRACTICE two point plays for just this situation
Posted by lashinala
End of 565
Member since Jan 2006
5721 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 10:00 am to
Btw, anyone check the snap to kick times? Bet the FSU coaches WERE!
Posted by markthetiger
alexandria
Member since Aug 2005
957 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 10:00 am to
He stepped to the outside or his left. You never give up the inside. If he steps down or to the right, it doesn’t get blocked.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13334 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 10:06 am to
quote:

Btw, anyone check the snap to kick times? Bet the FSU coaches WERE!
That!

AND, freshman kicker... when does his movement start, on snap or on holder getting ball down?

No kicking expert by any means but if a K waits on the holder to get it down it lengthens that time also.

The snap and that movement were probably tracked closely so they had a read on if they need a block where to overload (inside vs. outside) knowing that an outside path is easiest IF the K is giving you time.

If the K and snap isn't giving you time, you have to count on the more difficult path via the inside.

However, in this case they caught the flaw earlier in the game where they weren't blocking down and one was blocked without overload. When they needed a block they went to that weak spot AND overloaded it.
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
4955 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 10:14 am to
FG and XP protection is simple; no one beats you to your inside gap. It is virtually impossible to block a kick coming from the outside. He was responsible for the gap that the man who blocked the kick went through; did he know this? I do not know.
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