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re: Question for the gurus - why don't our break away runs take it to the house more

Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

I had this exact question on another post. LF's long run should have been a TD if he had the elite speed everyone says, but he got caught.


Defensive backs are fast, brah. Angles and whatnot - it happens.

I wish we had more breakaway scores, too. LF ran the 100 in high school, really, really well. I don't know what else to tell you about his speed. He's freakin' huge.
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:22 pm to
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Magee seems as good as Fournette to me


Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

Magee seems as good as Fournette to me


I love Magee, but has almost none of the physical tools Fournette has. He's lower to the ground and has better balance - at this point in time, due to both the COG and experience.

Magee is also a hardnosed competitor and, similar to Jarvis Landry, played bigger than his actual size. Magee (a senior) probably has more patience and vision than LF7 has today, November 28, 2014. But Buga's combination of size, strength, speed, acceleration, just the whole combination makes him special. He'll be even better next year and in 2016. He'll be playing, if not starting, on Sundays in 2017.

Magee may catch on somewhere, but is just not the RB LF7 will be in just a year or so.

To paraphrase the DB that Buga trucked:

"I saw the big motherf*cka coming right at me with a full head of steam, so I just said, 'frick it' and tried to go low, hoping one of y'all would be there to finish the tackle."
Posted by TigerDM
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:30 pm to
The thing most all of our backs, except for Hill, is they don't cut back to the middle of the field from the sideline. Even though Hill wasn't as fast as Fournette, he would cut to the middle of the field on a run like that taking away the angle from the DB and would have scored or gain extra yards.
Posted by RMLtiger
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:35 pm to
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I caught the replay of the Alabama vs Auburn 1982 game yesterday when another freshman -Vincent 'Bo' Jackson - broke a long run up the same left sideline from about the same position on the field as LF did last night.

Bama DB Jeremiah Castille - who BTW played some in the NFL himself - had a similar angle to what the A&M DB had on LF - and also caught him.

I think LF is "average fast" for D1 college football but his size-speed ratio is well above average.


Camparing anyone to hands down the greatest and most freakish athlete of all time is quite unfair. Bo ran in sub 4.2!! I would say Fournette is a legit 4.45 which is very elite for a 6'2" 230 lb 18 year old. He also ran 10.6 100 meter
Posted by Folsom
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:41 pm to
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None of the RB's have breakaway speed.


FWIW. A high school track coach told me that Guice was 3rd in the State indoor 60 meters last yr. and he thought Guice had more top end speed than LF.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:51 pm to
LF looks average speed for a RB to me. I never thought he looked that explosive returning kicks either
Posted by OC504
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 1:20 pm to
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I would say Fournette is a legit 4.45 which is very elite for a 6'2" 230 lb 18 year old. He also ran 10.6 100 meter
STOP spewing erroneous info as facts!!! Look up actual 100m State finals before stating BS AND... Trey Quinn was reportedly 4.38 in the 40 and LF is reportedly as fast!! SEE how I said reportedly and didn't state it as a confirmed fact!!!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 1:24 pm to
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I would say Fournette is a legit 4.45 which is very elite for a 6'2" 230 lb 18 year old. He also ran 10.6 100 meter


If he is a legit 4.45 guy, it doesn't translate to the football field. That's not to say he will not end up being an All American, which I think he will.
Posted by Katy Tiger
Houston area
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 1:34 pm to
Its all about the angles. A slower guy can cut off a faster back if he has the right angle. Speed alone cannot overcome everything.
Posted by RMLtiger
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:35 pm to
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STOP spewing erroneous info as facts!!! Look up actual 100m State finals before stating BS AND... Trey Quinn was reportedly 4.38 in the 40 and LF is reportedly as fast!! SEE how I said reportedly and didn't state it as a confirmed fact!!!


Who said I didn't have facts? It was well documented so I figured everyone knew... Apparently you need to be taught the facts so here you go...
10.68
Posted by RATeamWannabe
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:36 pm to
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I'm not turning nega. I promise. But it has struck me this year that a lot of our break away runs don't go all the way as we've seen in past years and as we've seen other teams do.

First, is my perception somewhat accurate? And, if so,

Second: Why is it? Do our guys this year just not have the tip top elite speed as in past years? Are defenses just in playing deep to stop it? Something else?



Not reading the entire thread, but Dural not blocking the DB cost us a long TD last night
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:47 pm to
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Camparing anyone to hands down the greatest and most freakish athlete of all time is quite unfair. Bo ran in sub 4.2!!


I wasn't being unfair. I was comparing that they BOTH got caught by fast guys with angles on them.

Bo and Herschel got caught many times, but much less often than most other RBs because they had elite speed like Trindon.
Posted by RMLtiger
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:48 pm to
Trey Quinn ran 10:64 so they are pretty close..
10.64
Posted by RMLtiger
Prairieville
Member since Sep 2009
769 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

quote:
Camparing anyone to hands down the greatest and most freakish athlete of all time is quite unfair. Bo ran in sub 4.2!!


I wasn't being unfair. I was comparing that they BOTH got caught by fast guys with angles on them.

Bo and Herschel got caught many times, but much less often than most other RBs because they had elite speed like Trindon.


Agree.. Finally some logic.
Posted by LSU5809
Member since Aug 2009
367 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:59 pm to
Why can LSU fans never be satisfied with the immense talent we have? The dude makes #1 play on Sportscenter after a career day as an 18 year old freshman and someone finds something to complain about. Without Leonard Fournette we lose every game in the SEC this year. Sorry the point differential wasn't large enough considering the running back position is heavily reliant upon every other moving part of the field. Shut your mouth and bow to your Sensei, Herschel Walker 2.0.
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11088 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 6:13 pm to
Because they prefer to run over safeties than go around them
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39273 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 6:19 pm to
Buga looked to be about the same speed as the DB who tackled him. The guy didn't run him down, but Buga was unable to open the gap as the DB closed the angle. RBs are usually slower than DBs, so based on this one example, I'd say Buga is damn fast.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56480 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 6:21 pm to
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Lacking top end speed and LF7 does not have the balance that Jeremy Hill has. He was so close to breaking several last night but got tripped up.



This is pretty much it.

Jeremy Hill was very, very good.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56480 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 6:25 pm to
quote:

I hate to say it, but Fournette is not as good as advertized. He had several openings last night that somebody like Melvin Gordon probably would have taken to the house.



Melvin Gordon is a stud. Saying that Fournette isn't as good as Gordon at this stage isn't saying anything at all. In fact, that you think this is meaningful shows how little you know about the landscape of college football.

quote:

Magee seems as good as Fournette to me.


You are clueless.
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