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re: Question about the game clock after a holding penalty
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:01 am to JPLSU1981
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:01 am to JPLSU1981
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t really didn’t matter though, even if Auburn had stopped us on the 3 downs they would have gotten the ball back with less than 20 seconds and no timeouts, maybe less if we ran some 6-10 second slow-developing plays. Once they didn’t get the onside kick, the game was effectively over.
I’m still passed they were gifted a TD with a phantom PI call that set them up goal to go.
Well, could ahve bad snap on the punt oa blocked punt, punt return for a score, or a long pass for a score.. Remember Dante Jackson going for interceptions against Florida in 2016 and Notre Dam ein the bowl game in 2017 aand llowing th ewinning touchdowns. Cannot toke it for granted until the final horn sounds.
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:01 am to bbap
The key variable in this situation is that the play resulted in a first down, making it a moot point. If the play had not resulted in a first down, Auburn could decline the penalty and it would have been second down....saving Auburn 40 seconds on the clock.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:06 am to Nix to Twillie
I know in HS the team accepting the penalty has the option to start the clock on the ready or at the snap under 2 minutes.
i do know offsetting penalties would have stopped the clock.
i do know offsetting penalties would have stopped the clock.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:07 am to JPLSU1981
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I’m not sure, would like clarification myself on the rule... seems like defense should have the option on what to do with clock. I agree a team should not be able to benefit from its own penalty.
If LSU needed to score this would not be a benefit.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:08 am to choupiquesushi
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know in HS the team accepting the penalty has the option to start the clock on the ready or at the snap under 2 minutes.
But again, there were more than 2 minutes remaining. It seems like this keeps getting missed.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:12 am to bbap
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I believe the play happened outside of 2 minutes which is why the clock started back up. Sure you could change the rule to make the threshold 3 minutes, or 4 minutes, and then just make CBS games even longer.
Gotta draw a line somewhere.
2 minutes is too low because it allows a team to kneel on the ball when they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:14 am to moneyg
I don't agree but now you are talking about changing a rule as opposed to the rule being enforced improperly Saturday.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:15 am to DCtiger1
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have to look at it both ways. What if a team trying to score was out of time outs. Could they commit a penalty just to stop the clock?
This doesn't make sense. If the offense team was down they CAN'T score by committing penalties.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:23 am to Trolyce
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The key variable in this situation is that the play resulted in a first down, making it a moot point. If the play had not resulted in a first down, Auburn could decline the penalty and it would have been second down....saving Auburn 40 seconds on the clock.
This.
LSU did not benefit from the call. They had picked up the first down, so fresh set of downs. Auburn accepting the penalty backed the ball up. It was going to be first down again no matter what.
ETA: There's no situation that puts time back on the clock after an offensive penalty
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 11:31 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:39 am to DArbonneDuke
Also if Auburn declines the penalty, the clock stops to move the chains and game clock and play clock start after the ball is set. If Auburn accepts the penalty, the clock stops to mark off the yards and the game clock and play clock starts once the ball is set. It would only change if it was an incomplete pass or he ran out of bounds.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:42 am to doubleb
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The play began with less than 2 minutes to go in the game. We ran for a first down but we were called for holding. Auburn could either accept the penalty, or decline the penalty and take the result of the play. But since the clock started when the ball was snapped, the play clock had to start once determination was made. It’s a bad rule really, the offended team’s coach should have the option of taking the penalty and either starting the clock or not starting the clock. FWIW, HS rules provide for this because teams could deliberately hold (or commit a penalty) and profit from it.
Wrong.
The play was run with 2:20 on the clock. The next snap wasn't until 1:52.
The NCAA rulebook would have allowed Auburn to start the clock on the snap had it occurred inside of 2 minutes. It's rule 3-4-3.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:48 am to LoyalTiger
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This doesn't make sense. If the offense team was down they CAN'T score by committing penalties.
If you're losing and need to score, the clock is more important than yards. So if the clock is running and you have no time outs, committing a penalty to stop the clock would allow you to reset/make substitutions/get a play in from the sidelines.
Sure you lose 10 yards, but you gain 15-20 seconds. Time in this instance is the only thing that is finite. You can score with on a 1st and 100 as long as there's time on the clock.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:53 am to DArbonneDuke
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This.
LSU did not benefit from the call. They had picked up the first down, so fresh set of downs. Auburn accepting the penalty backed the ball up. It was going to be first down again no matter what.
ETA: There's no situation that puts time back on the clock after an offensive penalty
LSU 100% benefitted from the call. As it stood, LSU needed a first down because there were over 2:00 on the clock, so we couldn't kneel it out. However, after the accepted penalty the clock ran under 2:00 with it still being first down. Because AU was out of timeouts, we could have just kneeled it three times and the game would have been over. With no penalty, AU still had a chance to get the ball back.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:02 pm to BigOrangeWave
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However, after the accepted penalty the clock ran under 2:00 with it still being first down. Because AU was out of timeouts, we could have just kneeled it three times and the game would have been over. With no penalty, AU still had a chance to get the ball back.
LSU had the ball at 2:31 - 1st and 10 at the 48. CEH ran for 13 yards for a first down at the 39 and the clock stopped with 2:24 to play due the the penalty.
LSU had the ball at 2:24 - 1st and 20 at the 38. The next play started at 2:02 remaining.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:03 pm to BigOrangeWave
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With no penalty, AU still had a chance to get the ball back.
No they didn't
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:04 pm to STEVED00
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If he gets only gets a couple of yards and they decline the penalty then what did you lose
I get what you're saying, but you would lose 15 seconds of game time. Running clock resets to 40 seconds; stoppage and start resets the play clock to 25 I believe.
eta: Also if the clock is running and the team trying to score commits a penalty there is a 10 second runoff.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:05 pm to bbap
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You're wrong according to the stat sheet. Play began with 2:20 to go.
Im watching the replay and the play actually happend with 2:31 to go.
Either way 100% outside of 2 minutes.
Corrected my error
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:07 pm to Wayne Campbell
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LSU had the ball at 2:24 - 1st and 20 at the 38. The next play started at 2:02 remaining.
after the penalty the play clock is only 25 seconds instead of 40 and that is why we snapped it around 2 min...I was pissed we didn't kneel on 2nd down though because at that point we didn't need to risk a fumble.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:04 pm to Topwater Trout
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after the penalty the play clock is only 25 seconds instead of 40 and that is why we snapped it around 2 min...I was pissed we didn't kneel on 2nd down though because at that point we didn't need to risk a fumble.
You're right. Someone upstairs didn't do the math. Gary Danielson sure figured it out though.
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