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The problem starts with Alleva, bottom line. It's more about retaining the $$$ the program bring in and less about what's best for the football program. Recruiting will suffer, less fans in the stands and so forth. You made this bed, Alleva, lie in it.

But even if you look at it from that perspective the moves don't make sense. LSU is vastly overpaying Ogeron at $3.5 million. His actual market value is probably around $650k-$850k as a recruiting coordinator. No one else in the country was/is going to give Ogeron $1,000,000+. However, even if you say LSU has to pay O at least $3.5 mill because of the bad optics of paying him less you certainly didn't have to agree to a cost-prohibitive buyout that handcuffs you if it becomes apparent quickly the grand experiment doesn't work out. There is ZERO threat of someone coming to take Ed Ogeron or him being able to find another HC job.

Nevertheless, LSU hires O, goes all in on the "best coordinators money can buy" plan and hires Canada for 3 years/$4.5 million. Right or wrong, Ogeron gets tired of him after 3-4 games and wants him gone. LSU acquiesces and when it's all said and done pays Canada $3.2 million to coach ONE season at LSU. Another bad financial decision.

Now, LSU promotes their TE coach (who was a member of the offense staff that wasn't good enough under the previous HC) to OC. But in order to do so, they have to bid against themselves and give Ensminger what will likely be a significant raise not because he was in demand for your competitors, but because he had serious reservations about taking the job. Rather than go outside and find a more proven OC with a recent history of success, LSU overpays their TE coach to entice him to take a job he doesn't really want.

Even if Alleva is just looking at $$$$ his decisions are stupid and illogical.

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Posted by forever lsu30

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:13 pm to SittinBull

Only replying to last response of my post, not you directly.

If anyone legitimately believes that a multi-million dollar athletics department (business) did not conduct an actual search for OC (or any coaching position for that matter) you need you head examined. The ignorance of too many posters on here is disgusting & laughable.

Also, if you are too foolish to realize my troll about the fan base, there's no hope for you.

Get behind the program. Support the kids. Quit "soccer mom'ing" the coaches. It will all sort itself out on the field.

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Posted by Scoob

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Member since Jun 2009

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Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:39 pm to The First Cut

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The offense sucked the first several games of the season. O told Canada that LSU didn't yet have the personnel to run the offense Canada wanted to and that he needed to make changes. This actually occurred before the Troy game. Canada lost his cookies and got himself fired.

ETA: The offense improved over the course of the year, all at the same time Canada was vocal at practice saying "this ain't my offense".

If you're going to make a dramatic change to any scheme, offensive or defense, there will be growing pains, a transitional period where the team stumbles some. You see that whenever there is a change. 3-4 games into a college season, when you have no preseason to work on things, is not the time to hit the panic button. You have to give it a year to take root.
O didn't stay the course, he wanted instant gratification.

Look at TCU. When LSU was dominant, TCU was a mid-major darling with a extremely strong defense and a pro-style offense.
They transitioned to a more wide-open offense, and within a couple years, they have become a 50 pt a game team.
LSU beat them during the transition, they were good at times in that game, and stumbled a bit. Patterson didn't panic, and now they can scorch the scoreboard.

A very successful coach has to know what he wants to do, and build the team to do that.
Saban at LSU wanted a team that would hold other teams below 17 points, control the ball, and score maybe 20 to win. He built it, and built Alabama that way. Monster lines and defense, big backs, QBs that can manage the game and move the sticks. He ran into trouble facing the wide-open schemes, because he couldn't hold them down all game (A&M, Oklahoma, Auburn under Malzahn, Ole Miss under Freeze). So he tweaked the offense to score more, and the team adjusted and won. He clashed mightily with his OC (Kiffin) because it didn't mesh with his own experiences, but he was smart enough to know a 20 pt offense would not be enough to beat a team that could score 50 on others, they might get 30 on him.

Miles here wanted a classic Michigan style team, for lack of a better term. Run the ball against anyone, control the clock, limit the other offense's possessions, wear down the opponent with your superior talent. It worked, until Alabama wasn't inferior (or even) on talent anymore. Once Bama got more talent and depth, that system didn't work against them... but worked against almost everyone else.

Orgeron seems to have no clue what he wants. He pines away for the USC and Miami teams he was an assistant on, but those schemes are simple. They won because they were way more talented than their opponent. We've already learned under Miles that can't happen here anymore.

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Posted by Freauxzen

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Member since Feb 2006

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Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:47 pm to Scoob

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If you're going to make a dramatic change to any scheme, offensive or defense, there will be growing pains, a transitional period where the team stumbles some. You see that whenever there is a change. 3-4 games into a college season, when you have no preseason to work on things, is not the time to hit the panic button. You have to give it a year to take root.
O didn't stay the course, he wanted instant gratification.

Look at TCU. When LSU was dominant, TCU was a mid-major darling with a extremely strong defense and a pro-style offense.
They transitioned to a more wide-open offense, and within a couple years, they have become a 50 pt a game team.
LSU beat them during the transition, they were good at times in that game, and stumbled a bit. Patterson didn't panic, and now they can scorch the scoreboard.

A very successful coach has to know what he wants to do, and build the team to do that.
Saban at LSU wanted a team that would hold other teams below 17 points, control the ball, and score maybe 20 to win. He built it, and built Alabama that way. Monster lines and defense, big backs, QBs that can manage the game and move the sticks. He ran into trouble facing the wide-open schemes, because he couldn't hold them down all game (A&M, Oklahoma, Auburn under Malzahn, Ole Miss under Freeze). So he tweaked the offense to score more, and the team adjusted and won. He clashed mightily with his OC (Kiffin) because it didn't mesh with his own experiences, but he was smart enough to know a 20 pt offense would not be enough to beat a team that could score 50 on others, they might get 30 on him.

Miles here wanted a classic Michigan style team, for lack of a better term. Run the ball against anyone, control the clock, limit the other offense's possessions, wear down the opponent with your superior talent. It worked, until Alabama wasn't inferior (or even) on talent anymore. Once Bama got more talent and depth, that system didn't work against them... but worked against almost everyone else.

Orgeron seems to have no clue what he wants. He pines away for the USC and Miami teams he was an assistant on, but those schemes are simple. They won because they were way more talented than their opponent. We've already learned under Miles that can't happen here anymore.