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re: PFF Grades vs Arkansas
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:27 pm to LSBoosie
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:27 pm to LSBoosie
Speaking of how do the PFF graders know what a player’s responsibility is on each play, the guy grading the defense when LSU stacked 4 guys vertically in the middle of the field must have wondered what the hell is this?
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:34 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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100 is best score possible. that's doing every single thing exactly right on every single snap you're in the game
How does PFF know? Are he just assuming what the defensive call is and assuming the player does it right or wrong?
Exactly. PFF is dumb
Just like FPI, BCS or any other 3 letter acronym computerized metric
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:38 pm to Shaq4prez
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Exactly. PFF is dumb
Just like FPI, BCS or any other 3 letter acronym computerized metric
Just an FYI, PFF is the exact opposite of a computerized metric.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:40 pm to Nutriaitch
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the ridiculous sideline catch (that was called back for a penalty). the play where Sage Ryan killed that guy. have no clue how PFF treats either of those.
To my understanding, they are supposed to grade that play like the CB did his job.
The point of their system is to give more context than the box score. Example: a qb throws a perfect pass that’s bobbled by the WR and intercepted. QB doesn’t get graded as if he threw the pick, the WR gets a poor grade for dropping the pass, the CB gets whatever for being at the right place at the right times
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:51 pm to LSBoosie
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Just an FYI, PFF is the exact opposite of a computerized metric.
Do you think every snap of every player is graded on film review?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:56 pm to Shaq4prez
quote:What does that have to do with it being computerized? They have people watching games and grading players. Do you think they just go "hey siri give Whit Weeks a grade for play number 27"
Do you think every snap of every player is graded on film review?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:59 pm to GumboPot
quote:they better. The aggies have some studs on that d line. Comparable to South Carolina
hope they will be ready for aTm.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:15 pm to LSBoosie
quote:Is this an indictment on PFF, or did the SEC OLineman of the week selectors get it totally wrong this week?
Emery Jones, RT – 52.0
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:22 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Therein lies the rub…
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:27 pm to LSBoosie
Didn’t Jones earn OL of the week?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:29 pm to Shaq4prez
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Do you think every snap of every player is graded on film review?
they claim they do.
I'm not there watching them, so can't say if they actually do or not.
but they have something like 600+ analysts according to their website.
and FBS games are the only ones they do in "real time" (lower levels don't get released until after the season).
with 134 FBS teams, there is a maximum of 67 FBS vs FBS and a maximum of 16 NFL games any given week.
that an average of 7+ analysts per game per weekend (no clue how they disperse their analysts per game).
so it's definitely doable.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:37 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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How does PFF know? Are he just assuming what the defensive call is and assuming the player does it right or wrong?
from the PFF website:
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Each player is given a grade of -2 to +2 in 0.5 increments on a given play with 0 generally being the average or “expected” grade.
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YOU DON’T KNOW THE PLAY CALL?
We are certainly not in the huddle, but we are grading what a player attempts to do on a given play. While football is extremely nuanced regarding the preparation and adjustments that go into each play call, once the ball is snapped, most players are clear in what they’re trying to accomplish on each play, and we evaluate accordingly. Of course, there are always some gray areas in football. Plays in which there is a clear question mark regarding assignment, we can defer to a “0” grade and not guess as to which player is right or wrong. These plays are few and far between and since we are grading every snap, missing out on a handful throughout the year should not affect player evaluations. Examples of potential gray areas include coverage busts, quarterback/wide receiver miscommunications and missed blocking assignments.
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The plus-minus grades are then converted to a 0-100 scale at the game and season level.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:49 pm to Nutriaitch
Gonna miss having CJ moving forward. He helped our offense for sure
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:51 pm to LSBoosie
Does pff have access to the all 22s for college? If not, ehhh.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:56 pm to Jcorye1
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Does pff have access to the all 22s for college? If not, ehhh.
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Each grade is reviewed at least once, and usually multiple times, using every camera angle available, including All-22 coaches’ tape.
it may not be available for some of the games between smaller schools, but it's probably a safe bet that they have access to it for all of the major schools.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:28 pm to Nutriaitch
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The true mystery is he got a 61.1 pass rush grade when he rushed the passer 6 times, had 4 hurries and 1 sack....so, thats a pretty successful day rushing the passer by definition; not sure what they saw to give him an average grade there
quote:I'm pretty sure it includes the net result of the play. If the result of the play was a completed pass, no matter what you did, the grade is low. For OL you get a big fat 0 included in the average.
that's why there must be something else in their system. like maybe technique or something.
to the casual observer like us we think that's absolutely amazing.
PFF somehow breaks it down to the specifics of why he didn't get sacks on all 6 rushes and grades it accordingly.
So even if he's in QBs face, about to annihilate him, but QB completes the pass- it's as if none of that ever happened.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:32 pm to I20goon
That’s not correct. You can read all about it on their website.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:46 pm to iamandykeim
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Is this an indictment on PFF, or did the SEC OLineman of the week selectors get it totally wrong this week?
At no point while watching that game did I think “man, Emery should get an award for his performance.”
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:48 pm to iamandykeim
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Is this an indictment on PFF, or did the SEC OLineman of the week selectors get it totally wrong this week?
SEC OL of the week... 52. Umm... That's.... Interesting.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:48 pm to LSBoosie
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Greg Penn, LB – 52.4
This is a little surprising. We held them to less than 40 yards rushing and he didn’t miss anything there. Maybe it was some of the over the middle passing in zone, but we kind of gave them that be design and kept the WRs hemmed in and tackled well.
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