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re: PC Police influencing BOS to already rename Dale Brown court

Posted on 7/11/22 at 2:08 am to
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
19822 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 2:08 am to
Now with all the shite that came out, Will Wade needed to go.

But with the way Dale Brown tried to sabotage the basketball program out of jealousy, I’d love to see his name taken off there completely. He didn’t deserve it in the first place.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
176001 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 3:50 am to
It's crazy Sue Gunter died at 66. She looked like she was 90. Smoking fricks you up.
Posted by Flablete
in the SEC
Member since Aug 2021
1031 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 6:29 am to
This is what should have been done in the 1st place! She did more for that athletic program than Daddy Dale did!
Posted by Lowes knowsLSU
Texas
Member since May 2021
1548 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 6:42 am to
Why ? Dale brown was not all that. Yah so he got to the final four a couple times ok no big deal. Dale Brown was a fantastic recruiter just unbeleivable recruiter much like coach Will Wade. Will wade could guide a half decent season and once in the post season look amost flat at times same as Dale Brown. The lsu facilities suck in basketball compared to other universities but all the athletic directors dont want anything to do with upgrading the basketball arena, offices and anything dealing with basketball. Once upgrade i really think lsu will make a drastix improvement in results to compete in final 4s and have a chance at it, winning sec seasons multiple years in a row, & conference chpionships. Have yet to see that.
Posted by Tigersonfire
Pville
Member since Oct 2018
3027 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:01 am to
Gunter didn’t win a god damned thing and was shown how bad of a coach she was once Pokey took over and made us a National power instantly. And the same thing g is happening again with Kim.
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 9:11 am
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15784 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:23 am to
I’ll 100% support renaming the basketball court to the first men’s or women’s basketball coach to win a national championship at LSU.

Kramer’s mom, make it happen.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52687 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:51 am to
quote:

Dale Brown was BLM before the movement ever was conceived.

He was always a fighter for the poor.


Just like Saban.
Posted by DeltaFishTiger
Member since Jun 2022
301 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 10:56 am to
quote:

Dale Brown was BLM before the movement ever was conceived.

He coordinated riots that burned down black businesses and killed more unarmed black people in 3 months than police did for the entire year of 2020? Then took all their donations and bought million dollar homes with them?
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
113321 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 11:08 am to
quote:

Engster
What a tool
Dale was Will Wade before Will Wade




Lot of truth in that. Daddy Dale cheated as much or more than Wade, Johnny Jones was his accomplice a lot of the times. Dale got old & complacent and let the program go to hell. Appreciate the many good years both he and Sue had, but neither was able to win the big one.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34270 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 11:40 am to
Even in its short 5 year (or so) heyday the popularity of the program paled in comparison to the popularity of Brown's program at its peak. Hell, you could argue Pokey Chatman deserves her name on the court moreso than Gunter given her accomplishments as a player and coach. She led LSU to 3 Final Fours (although one was as a midseason replacement for Gunter). Of course, that isn't going to happen.

I didn't like naming the court after Brown in the first place (though if LSU was going to name the court after anyone, it should be him). So I find all of this funny and ridiculous in our current era of vapid virtue signaling.

Lesson: There is a small, but very vocal, faction of our population that will ALWAYS look for something about which to be offended or aggrieved, and reasons to display their immense "virtue". Knowing that, you have three options:

1. Don't do anything to give them a basis to virtue signal in the first place (i.e. don't name the court/facility after any person)

2. Tell them to essentially "frick off" and completely ignore them. They'll publicly whine and cry for a bit, while also expressing empty threats. But eventually they will just move on to the next "wrong" to "right".

3. Give into the demands. Which is only going to set the table for more and more such demands. There is no fully satisfying such people...ever.


The good news for LSU in this instance is they currently have a women's HC who doesn't give much of a shite about virtue-signaling (at least in this regard); is already 10x more accomplished in her career than Sue Gunter; and is pretty confident that she will eventually surpass all of Gunter's accomplishments to largely make this a non-issue in the future.


Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13078 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:33 pm to
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Neither of these two won the whole thing and neither is deserving for other reasons
They both did a lot of good things and created some great memories, but you don't give naming rights on that basis.
We should rescind the naming for Brown in the first place and we can avoid future disputes like this.
And, Brown's statement (while claiming to NOT make a statement) that Gunter already had a statute is just totally embarrassing. His ego knows no bounds.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Hell, you could argue Pokey Chatman deserves her name on the court moreso than Gunter given her accomplishments as a player and coach
Good Lord. This Court, Field, statue business has gotten totally out of hand. Not only is it linguistically awkward to pronounce, but it should not be allowed unless the honoree has gone to the great beyond. This is just absurd. Hero worship has its limits. Do we ultimately throw roses at every coach and athlete that sets foot on campus? This is not unlike "Participation Trophies". Go ahead and throw rocks at me…
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34270 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

Two wrongs don't make a right.
Neither of these two won the whole thing and neither is deserving for other reasons
They both did a lot of good things and created some great memories, but you don't give naming rights on that basis.
We should rescind the naming for Brown in the first place and we can avoid future disputes like this.


While I don't disagree, rescinding it would be even more embarrassing and also give credence to the demands of the perpetually aggrieved.

LSU named it after Brown. I, personally, may have disagreed with the decision to do so. But it is done. Let it be and ignore the VERY small group of belly-achers (which is really just the media, such as a fledgling publication like Tiger Rag) looking for attention. They will soon conjure up some other "wrong" in their quest for attention.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34242 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 12:46 pm to
If Collis is against it, it won't happen.

Those weak-kneed board members are scared of him. He might call them racists.
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
7594 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 1:03 pm to
Hold off a few years and it will be Mulkey-Brown court.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26377 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 1:48 pm to
quote:


I hate to sound unappreciative but am I missing something on why he specifically deserves to have the court named after him? A couple of final four runs and a few regular season SEC titles, career .598 win % at LSU.

I think the naming of courts is stupid and it didn't need to be named after anyone. Nobody usually refers to the court anyway. People refer to the PMAC.

I will say that what Brown accomplished considering what he inherited was great though. LSU basketball was a total loser program that only had 4 winning seasons in the 18 seasons before he took over and they didn't even accomplish anything significant with Pistol Pete.

Brown took LSU to 10 straight NCAA tournaments at one point, won 4 SEC regular season titles, went to multiple Final Fours, won National Coach of the Year and turned LSU's basketball program into a winner that had fan support that was unimaginable when he took it over. I mean, LSU still has 3 of the top 5 largest attended regular basketball games of all time for those games in the Dome (and LSU held the record for #1 for many years with the 60,000+ in the Dome). It's still a shock when I see LSU holding 3 of the top 5 spots all these years later. I have to give him credit for that. He sold basketball in Louisiana like no other. And the atmosphere in the PMAC was phenomenal back then and was responsible for the NCAA deciding to no longer allow tourney teams to host games on their court due to the perceived advantage LSU had in 86. Brown created that atmosphere.

He should have retired a few years before he did, but he did have a great run for a program that was nothing and did nothing prior to him taking over.
Posted by evansky
Member since Nov 2009
844 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 1:49 pm to
I agree with this:

quote:

I didn't like naming the court after Brown in the first place (though if LSU was going to name the court after anyone, it should be him). So I find all of this funny and ridiculous in our current era of vapid virtue signaling.


1947-72

288-344 46%
9 winning seasons
2 AP ranked seasons, 1 top 10
2 NCAA tournaments(smaller tourney, can't really compare)

1972 - 97 (Dale Brown)

448-301 60%
17 winning seasons
7 AP ranked seasons, 3 top 10
13 NCAA tournaments (including 10 in a row) 2 final fours

1997 -2022

462-334 58%
18 winning seasons
4 AP ranked teams, 1 top 10
9 NCAA tournaments, 1 final 4

I grew up watching Pete in the cow palace but outside of that one player (and 3 years of Bob Petit) LSU basketball was insignificant. Dale Brown brought us to national recognition. I never thought he was a great coach but he clearly did more for LSU basketball than any other individual.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13078 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 2:15 pm to
By these measures, the football field should be named after Charlie McClendon or Les Miles, both of whom had far better winning percentages during their tenure, and against better competition. Hell, Les won a Natty and played for another one.
This naming of the court after Dale Brown is, more than anything, a testament to Brown's relentless self promotion. And he clearly does not intend to share the stage with Gunter.
Posted by gemlsu
Member since Sep 2003
2397 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 3:09 pm to
In my humble opinion, Sue was a very nice person but not a great coach. There was not a lot of girls competition back then.
Posted by SCP
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
1337 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 4:32 pm to
IMO, neither should have their names on the court. A national championship should be a minimum criterion for that to happen. But, since we already made the mistake of calling it DB court, I vote to dilute that mistake by adding Sue's name. Unfortunately, removing DB court is not an option.
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