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re: Paul Skenes vs MLB Pitcher's Pitch Counts for June
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:37 pm to Chicken
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:37 pm to Chicken
In 2014 WS, Maddison Bumgarner pitched 3 games in 8 games.
He pitched the last game with 2 day rest since it is Game 7. That was the best pitching I have seen in WS by a single guy. He won them 3 games
He pitched the last game with 2 day rest since it is Game 7. That was the best pitching I have seen in WS by a single guy. He won them 3 games
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:39 pm
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:37 pm to Chicken
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The biggest issue for pitchers is breaking balls. I would be curious to see how many non-breaking balls each of those pitchers pitched in June.
Sports Illustrated did a story a while back on a study that showed it was actually fastballs that are more of a problem.
But for reference Lynn is approximately 46% four seam and 26% cutter so far in 23.
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:38 pm to Lester Earl
Some of those pitchers got put out of their starts faster than Skenes did, facing far better batters than Skenes did, If you’re a LSU fan and you don’t want Skenes to pitch YOU ARE LYING
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:39 pm to Broski
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You think biology changes because it's the playoffs?
Don’t be an idiot. You know he meant that the playoffs is the reason why he’s pitching so much.
You honestly think he was saying his arm can handle more pitches bc it’s the playoffs
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:39 pm to Tigerpride18
In the 2016 MLB playoffs, Kershaw pitched in 5 games over 15 days. He started 4 of them.
In the 2019 playoffs, Justin Verlander started 6 games over 25 days and threw a total of 608 pitches.
I don’t know why we’re comparing midseason pitch counts in the MLB to postseason pitch counts in college baseball
In the 2019 playoffs, Justin Verlander started 6 games over 25 days and threw a total of 608 pitches.
I don’t know why we’re comparing midseason pitch counts in the MLB to postseason pitch counts in college baseball
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:39 pm to Lester Earl
LSU does not have a well rested MLB caliber bullpen ready to eat pitches in his place. He also will not be facing an MLB lineup. The fact that MLB pitchers in the current environment have not pitched more pitches does not mean they are incapable of doing so. It only means the rosters are setup intentionally to spread around pitches and innings to entire staffs of pitchers that throw 95+. Skenes is likely to be less effective, but probably more effective than the alternatives.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:40 pm to Lester Earl
Is there any statistical analysis showing reduced pitch counts reduce injuries in mature aged males?
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:40 pm to shutterspeed
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So what do we imagine the hard pitch limit on Skenes is tomorrow if he throws?
Well, I didn’t think he’d sniff the number he hit last game on short rest.
This rest is even shorter and his abnormal workload games have started to pile up. I’m curious to see how they use him.
I think it would be cool to end the season as champions with him on the mound
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:41 pm to msutiger
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But for reference Lynn is approximately 46% four seam and 26% cutter so far in 23.
And against Tennessee, Skenes only threw 46 fastballs in his 123 pitches. Not sure about Wake but i imagine the splits were similar
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:41 pm to Lester Earl
Can we do some rain dances and play Tuesday?
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:43 pm to Lester Earl
Skenes is young. He will be fine. His mechanics make for little stress on the elbow.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:44 pm to Lester Earl
I would watch how he looks and make decisions there. Because the truth js, from a statistical analysis approach, throwing him zero pitches tomorrow or 120 doesn’t make a difference in injury prevention
Anyone can pore through the same data if they want
Anyone can pore through the same data if they want
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:46 pm to Lester Earl
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I think it would be cool to end the season as champions with him on the mound
Agreed. And I think he AT LEAST closes the game. But that may also be ALL he does at this point.
The more I think about it, I think CJJ hesitates to put him in as long as possible to protect him and see what we get from Herring and Hurd. If things start to derail, we could possibly see some mid-relief with Cooper closing.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:47 pm to Broski
no but he also things teams pull pitchers earlier in June in the MOb than the CWS
Corey ally we pitched 3 games in 9 days in the 2016 WS against the Cubs.
Corey ally we pitched 3 games in 9 days in the 2016 WS against the Cubs.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:48 pm to SammyTiger
MLB starters are getting 30+ starts a year.
It’s a very long season. They ain’t gonna be burning guys out before the all star break.
Skenes will be in his last game in college. We know that for a fact. No more after tomorrow.
It’s a very long season. They ain’t gonna be burning guys out before the all star break.
Skenes will be in his last game in college. We know that for a fact. No more after tomorrow.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:49 pm to Lester Earl
422 in 4 starts for Lynn is 105-106 per start average.
Skenes is at 468 now.
5 x 106 = 530 (in 5 starts to average 106)
530 - 468 = 62
So about 60-65 for Skenes tomorrow would be reasonable and should be 4 or 5 innings.
Skenes is at 468 now.
5 x 106 = 530 (in 5 starts to average 106)
530 - 468 = 62
So about 60-65 for Skenes tomorrow would be reasonable and should be 4 or 5 innings.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:52 pm to Lester Earl
MLB pitchers are soft now. The elites use to throw 250+ innings easy and tons of CG. Now they're much more reliant on middle relief.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:52 pm to lsupride87
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Is there any statistical analysis showing reduced pitch counts reduce injuries in mature aged males?
In a vacuum, I’m not sure the pitch counts themselves are the issue.
The abnormality of the starts once June hit changed his workload rather drastically.
“He hasn’t thrown 9ip all season”… 6/02 did that
“He hasn’t thrown 120 pitches all year”…. Did that 3x in June 6/2, 6/17, 6/22
“He hasn’t thrown on short rest”… did that 6/22
Now 3 days rest? After throwing 240 in the last week?
I think he’ll go. For how long, idk. Expecting him to throw a normal outing is kinda crazy imo
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:53 pm to MCMBEANLVI
That’s a retarded take!
Dealing with an Elite / World Class All WORLD Athlete that has proven to be on a different level of elite.
Who has been dreaming of winning this trophy, dreaming of this moment & the reason he came to LSU to give him that chance.
If SKENES says “coach, I feel great & I want to start, you start the man”
PERIOD, end of story! Everyone with all their opinions should just suit back and see what the professionals say & what Skenes says.
And IMO, he wants his destiny in his own hands.
And for the record, yes, I have coached legit ball in my life, not some armchair fan.
Once you get to that level and with WINNER TAKES ALL, there’s an IT FACTOR with Elite Athletes, it’s where legends are born
Dealing with an Elite / World Class All WORLD Athlete that has proven to be on a different level of elite.
Who has been dreaming of winning this trophy, dreaming of this moment & the reason he came to LSU to give him that chance.
If SKENES says “coach, I feel great & I want to start, you start the man”
PERIOD, end of story! Everyone with all their opinions should just suit back and see what the professionals say & what Skenes says.
And IMO, he wants his destiny in his own hands.
And for the record, yes, I have coached legit ball in my life, not some armchair fan.
Once you get to that level and with WINNER TAKES ALL, there’s an IT FACTOR with Elite Athletes, it’s where legends are born
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:53 pm to lsu xman
Truth is, people THOUGHT reducing pitch counts would reduce injuries. The simple fact is it hasn’t. It made sense to think that would work, but it hasn’t at all and people haven’t adjusted so the narrative is still there
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