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Orgeron v Herman: biggest game of their careers?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:24 pm
Yes I know the players play the game, not the coaches, but there are some undeniable subplots to the LSU/Texas game involving the head coaches. Neither coach is really on the hot seat, but whichever coach loses this game has a seat that got got warmer.
Herman and Orgeron will forever be linked in that it was Herman spurning LSU that got Orgeron the LSU job. But it wasn't just Herman turning LSU down, it was the way he did it that makes the showdown that much more personal.
It's certainly fair game for a coach looking for a job to leverage offers from different teams to get the most money. Herman crossed that line. He led LSU and Alleva to believe the deal was done. The silver ling in his deception for some might be that the wheels to get rid of Alleva started turning in earnest with the egg Alleva got on his face when Herman screwed him (and LSU fans).
Most outsiders saw the Orgeron hiring as a response to LSU losing Herman without a plan B in place. Texas got their man, LSU settled for Orgeron.
As things turned out last year, and even most Orgeron critics would agree, Orgeron's LSU team looked every bit as good as Herman's Texas team last year. Texas fans were ready to run Herman after his opening loss to Maryland last year. LSU fans and Texas fans are not known for their patience.
So who did get the better coach, Texas or LSU? Certainly that cannot be answered by the outcome of one game in September. Or can it? Football fans and the media can be amazingly reactionary. A broad segment of the fan base and media for both teams will view the outcome of this game as a referendum on the coaches. It comes with the territory of coaching schools like Texas and LSU.
And that's fair to a certain extent. These are both talented teams. Both coaches have had a year to put their staff and playbooks together. Both coaches have had the entire off-season to gameplan for this game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the coachspeak, Texas is only thinking about La Tech and LSU Georgia Southern.
Hogwash. These coaches have been thinking about this game the day after the 2018 season ended for them. Its about bragging rights for the SEC/Big 12. Its about recruiting. Its about revenge for the way Herman screwed LSU. Its about affirmation for Orgeron, that he was the better choice all along.
Its a big game, no matter how anyone may try to downplay it. I think with Herman getting the big money and Texas playing at home, the pressure is more on him. Orgeron still has many doubters and many others on the fence. Beating Texas at Texas with all that is on the line would be the biggest win of his head coaching career.
The margin for error in college football today is one. Lose two games and you are probably out of the national championship conversation. I think this is the biggest game of both of these coach's careers to date. And there really can be no excuses. No one will want to hear it. The pressure is on.
Herman and Orgeron will forever be linked in that it was Herman spurning LSU that got Orgeron the LSU job. But it wasn't just Herman turning LSU down, it was the way he did it that makes the showdown that much more personal.
It's certainly fair game for a coach looking for a job to leverage offers from different teams to get the most money. Herman crossed that line. He led LSU and Alleva to believe the deal was done. The silver ling in his deception for some might be that the wheels to get rid of Alleva started turning in earnest with the egg Alleva got on his face when Herman screwed him (and LSU fans).
Most outsiders saw the Orgeron hiring as a response to LSU losing Herman without a plan B in place. Texas got their man, LSU settled for Orgeron.
As things turned out last year, and even most Orgeron critics would agree, Orgeron's LSU team looked every bit as good as Herman's Texas team last year. Texas fans were ready to run Herman after his opening loss to Maryland last year. LSU fans and Texas fans are not known for their patience.
So who did get the better coach, Texas or LSU? Certainly that cannot be answered by the outcome of one game in September. Or can it? Football fans and the media can be amazingly reactionary. A broad segment of the fan base and media for both teams will view the outcome of this game as a referendum on the coaches. It comes with the territory of coaching schools like Texas and LSU.
And that's fair to a certain extent. These are both talented teams. Both coaches have had a year to put their staff and playbooks together. Both coaches have had the entire off-season to gameplan for this game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the coachspeak, Texas is only thinking about La Tech and LSU Georgia Southern.
Hogwash. These coaches have been thinking about this game the day after the 2018 season ended for them. Its about bragging rights for the SEC/Big 12. Its about recruiting. Its about revenge for the way Herman screwed LSU. Its about affirmation for Orgeron, that he was the better choice all along.
Its a big game, no matter how anyone may try to downplay it. I think with Herman getting the big money and Texas playing at home, the pressure is more on him. Orgeron still has many doubters and many others on the fence. Beating Texas at Texas with all that is on the line would be the biggest win of his head coaching career.
The margin for error in college football today is one. Lose two games and you are probably out of the national championship conversation. I think this is the biggest game of both of these coach's careers to date. And there really can be no excuses. No one will want to hear it. The pressure is on.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:27 pm to paper tiger
You took a lot of time to really say nothing. Just sayin.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:29 pm to paper tiger
LSU hosted #2 Georgia less than a year ago where nobody picked LSU to win.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:31 pm to paper tiger
Last year’s bama game was bigger for Orgeron. We would have controlled our own destiny with a win
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:36 pm to paper tiger
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Yes I know the players play the game, not the coaches, but there are some undeniable subplots to the LSU/Texas game involving the head coaches. Neither coach is really on the hot seat, but whichever coach loses this game has a seat that got got warmer.
Herman and Orgeron will forever be linked in that it was Herman spurning LSU that got Orgeron the LSU job. But it wasn't just Herman turning LSU down, it was the way he did it that makes the showdown that much more personal.
It's certainly fair game for a coach looking for a job to leverage offers from different teams to get the most money. Herman crossed that line. He led LSU and Alleva to believe the deal was done. The silver ling in his deception for some might be that the wheels to get rid of Alleva started turning in earnest with the egg Alleva got on his face when Herman screwed him (and LSU fans).
Most outsiders saw the Orgeron hiring as a response to LSU losing Herman without a plan B in place. Texas got their man, LSU settled for Orgeron.
As things turned out last year, and even most Orgeron critics would agree, Orgeron's LSU team looked every bit as good as Herman's Texas team last year. Texas fans were ready to run Herman after his opening loss to Maryland last year. LSU fans and Texas fans are not known for their patience.
So who did get the better coach, Texas or LSU? Certainly that cannot be answered by the outcome of one game in September. Or can it? Football fans and the media can be amazingly reactionary. A broad segment of the fan base and media for both teams will view the outcome of this game as a referendum on the coaches. It comes with the territory of coaching schools like Texas and LSU.
And that's fair to a certain extent. These are both talented teams. Both coaches have had a year to put their staff and playbooks together. Both coaches have had the entire off-season to gameplan for this game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the coachspeak, Texas is only thinking about La Tech and LSU Georgia Southern.
Hogwash. These coaches have been thinking about this game the day after the 2018 season ended for them. Its about bragging rights for the SEC/Big 12. Its about recruiting. Its about revenge for the way Herman screwed LSU. Its about affirmation for Orgeron, that he was the better choice all along.
Its a big game, no matter how anyone may try to downplay it. I think with Herman getting the big money and Texas playing at home, the pressure is more on him. Orgeron still has many doubters and many others on the fence. Beating Texas at Texas with all that is on the line would be the biggest win of his head coaching career.
The margin for error in college football today is one. Lose two games and you are probably out of the national championship conversation. I think this is the biggest game of both of these coach's careers to date. And there really can be no excuses. No one will want to hear it. The pressure is on.
Wow, you put a whole lot of effort into pushing a false narrative.
This isn't even close to the biggest game that Orgeron has coached. He's had bigger before, and there are bigger on this year's schedule.
As for Herman, I don't think he thinks much about LSU in the context of his being hired at Texas. And, I don't think he's done anything that Texas that makes LSU (as a whole) wish they would have landed him. Honestly, as incorrect as it is, the longing for another coach is directed toward Jimbo.
There's not much in your post that I agree with.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:37 pm to paper tiger
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Orgeron v Herman: biggest game of their careers?
Not a big O fan despite I find him amusing and a good recruiter but, IF WE LOSE THIS FIRST GAME TO HERMAN, it will confirm every doubt I've retained about the efficacy of us settling for O without a true coaching search since late 2016, we HAVE TO WIN THIS at all costs.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:37 pm to Yippie_Ky_yae
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Sportswriter?
I would have guessed a wannabe sportswriter.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:38 pm to paper tiger
That's a nice narrative, but no.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:42 pm to Goldrush25
Either team can get blown out and still go to the playoffs. It’s a big game on a huge stage and losing will sting but it’s not the biggest game this season for either team much less of their careers.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:44 pm to paper tiger
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Herman and Orgeron will forever be linked in that it was Herman spurning LSU that got Orgeron the LSU job. But it wasn't just Herman turning LSU down, it was the way he did it that makes the showdown that much more personal.
Meh. It's a nice storyline for the papers and ESPN leading up to the game. But coaches don't think like this. Or at least they shouldn't. It's a big game for both teams against a good, possibly great, opponent and that's probably the extent of both coaches' thoughts on the matchup in terms of big picture stuff.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:44 pm to paper tiger
No.
Herman isn't in danger of losing his job after this season. Texas was a shell of its former self when he took the job and the fanbase knew there was a significant rebuild ahead. As it stands now they are right on pace after playing in their first major bowl game in 10 years last season. A loss to a top 6 team isn't going to derail fan expectations as I don't think they are expecting a perennial playoff contender just yet. The biggest game of Herman's career was the 2016 season opener vs. OU. That win, more than anything else, catapulted him to the top of LSU and Texas' wishlist.
It's not the biggest game of O's career either. He's not on the hotseat this year. While LSU would certainly be disappointed with a loss due to the fact LSU seems to have the better and more veteran team, it's never easy to win on the road. Though it would probably take a month or so, LSU fans would get over the Texas loss if that is the Tigers' only loss heading into the Bama game. A loss to Texas doesn't derail playoff hopes. A loss to Bama even if that is LSU's only loss, likely does.
If anything, the Texas game is probably the biggest OPPORTUNITY for O. While a loss doesn't "kill" him, a win probably puts the full force of the LSU fanbase behind him for the first time in his LSU career. Though the number may be decreasing, there are still many who aren't completely sure O is the man to lead LSU to a championship level program once more. Beating the guy who most wanted to be LSU's HC when O got the job will change his standing among the final holdouts (at least until he loses a game after that )
Herman isn't in danger of losing his job after this season. Texas was a shell of its former self when he took the job and the fanbase knew there was a significant rebuild ahead. As it stands now they are right on pace after playing in their first major bowl game in 10 years last season. A loss to a top 6 team isn't going to derail fan expectations as I don't think they are expecting a perennial playoff contender just yet. The biggest game of Herman's career was the 2016 season opener vs. OU. That win, more than anything else, catapulted him to the top of LSU and Texas' wishlist.
It's not the biggest game of O's career either. He's not on the hotseat this year. While LSU would certainly be disappointed with a loss due to the fact LSU seems to have the better and more veteran team, it's never easy to win on the road. Though it would probably take a month or so, LSU fans would get over the Texas loss if that is the Tigers' only loss heading into the Bama game. A loss to Texas doesn't derail playoff hopes. A loss to Bama even if that is LSU's only loss, likely does.
If anything, the Texas game is probably the biggest OPPORTUNITY for O. While a loss doesn't "kill" him, a win probably puts the full force of the LSU fanbase behind him for the first time in his LSU career. Though the number may be decreasing, there are still many who aren't completely sure O is the man to lead LSU to a championship level program once more. Beating the guy who most wanted to be LSU's HC when O got the job will change his standing among the final holdouts (at least until he loses a game after that )
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:45 pm to paper tiger
I only read the thread title question. The answer to that is "no".
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:47 pm to paper tiger
Until 0 can beat Bama, his biggest game will be Bama. He won't stop talking about it either.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:47 pm to paper tiger
Yes it is for both of them.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:49 pm to paper tiger
Nope - Either could lose and still make the playoffs. Same scenario for us as last year with Miami.
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