re: OK so you don't Like "O". Answer the questions logically so I can begin to understand

You know this can be looked up, right?

Do you even watch football? Les had this team on a downward spiral. The offense was anemic. Steve gave the offense a new life and the team on offense improved drastically. When they face Alabama and Florida, they ran into 2 teams where the offensive and defensive lines got man handled. Coach 0 recruited to fill those weaknesses this year. He got 8 of the top 10 players in the state this year. It just happens to be a down year in the state this year. But they are all good players. Because he went heavy for lineman and had to get some JC guys the class is not ranked as high. The SEC record improved despite having to play 2 and sometimes 3 freshman on the offensive line. What are you even looking at? Matt Canada didn't work out. Big deal. Saban has new coordinators every year. It happens. Quit hatin on the man. He deserves time to get this thing back on course. If you and people like you think Les was still doing a good job, why want any other team in the country hire him for a job? Why, didn't he get respect from his peers even when he was winning? No respect. None. He was a buffoon sitting on what Nick built. But the wheels were coming off.

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I hate that I made you made.

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There's a freshman level English course joke in here somewhere.

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But the wheels were coming off.

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2015 - 9-3 with a cancelled cupcake game
2016 - 9-4
2017 - 9-4

NO IMPROVEMENT. O is a regression from Miles. All you have to do is look it up.

We traveled to Alabama about 1972 or three and watched The Bear coached Tide beat our Tigers 30 to nothing. No one could beat the Bear back them. Help Mac pack is all we heard. Whining was alive even back then. But we still backed our Tigers. Watching them lose for years under Hallman and a string of other coaches didn't dampen our support. We have watched many losing Tiger teams. Back in the day, an 8 win season would have made most people happy and any bowl was a big thing back then. Beating Wyoming in a bowl one year was a beautiful thing. We weren't spoiled little cry babies that think every year if we don't win the SEC or national championship that we are somehow failures. Back the team. All this negativity hurts our look as fans. This generation has destroyed the true spirit of Tiger stadium. Can't stay past halftime. Sickening.

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Watching them lose for years under Hallman and a string of other coaches didn't dampen our support.

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We weren't spoiled little cry babies that think every year if we don't win the SEC or national championship that we are somehow failures.

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All of you old farts assume that everyone currently dissatisfied with the direction of the program never lived to see the years in which LSU struggled, when most of the time you couldn’t be more wrong.

I’m 34 and started going to games in 1990. The Hallman era was when I fell in love with the Tigers. So don’t give me that “you don’t know what it’s like” crap.

I love LSU today just as much as I did then and I’m concerned about the direction of the program. Is that so crazy?

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Back in the day, an 8 win season would have made most people happy and any bowl was a big thing back then.

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Well then it’s a good thing we’ve evolved past this. You live in a world now where LSU has won championships—and rather recently. It’s not out of line to expect them to compete for them more than they are. If you want to hang your hat on 8 wins and call it a day that’s fine, but most of us expect more out of LSU. I wish O the best, but as of now I don’t think he’s the one to get us back to the top. And unlike you, I think that’s NOT okay.

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All this negativity hurts our look as fans.

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Again, this very thread was made to bait negativity.

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rickyh
Les had this team on a downward spiral. The offense was anemic. Steve gave the offense a new life and the team on offense improved drastically.

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Brainwashed.



2015- 32.8
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When does it end?

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You know this can be looked up, right?

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If you and people like you think Les was still doing a good job, why want any other team in the country hire him for a job?

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multiple teams have tried to hire Les away from us during his tenure.
multiple teams have interviews Les since he was fired.

NOBODY (other than Alleva) has ever even joking said they wanted to interview O in over a decade.

so if being desired by others in the country is the measuring stick, O once again falls considerably short of Miles.

just like if wins, yards, points scored, recruiting rankings, or any other unit of measure is used.

Quit hatin on the man. He deserves time to get this thing back on course

rickyh - now there is an intelligent presentation of solid argumentative points

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deserves time to get this thing back on course

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“Off course” was 9-3 under Les in 2015, with a cancelled cupcake that would have made it 10-3.

Ever since Ed took over, he’s MADE IT WORSE.

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We traveled to Alabama about 1972 or three and watched The Bear coached Tide beat our Tigers 30 to nothing. No one could beat the Bear back them. Help Mac pack is all we heard. Whining was alive even back then. But we still backed our Tigers. Watching them lose for years under Hallman and a string of other coaches didn't dampen our support. We have watched many losing Tiger teams. Back in the day, an 8 win season would have made most people happy and any bowl was a big thing back then. Beating Wyoming in a bowl one year was a beautiful thing. We weren't spoiled little cry babies that think every year if we don't win the SEC or national championship that we are somehow failures. Back the team. All this negativity hurts our look as fans. This generation has destroyed the true spirit of Tiger stadium. Can't stay past halftime. Sickening.

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I'm copying and pasting this post of mine from another thread but since your post is essentially the same drivel my response to his fits well here.

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Start that rant at the spring of 1982 and I'm 12 and I'm right there with you...except I happen to think that what we've done to ourselves with this coaching hire and what he has done thus far and continues to do is sending us back to the days when we all HOPED to be better than what we were. That doesn't mean I did not love being a fan then...loving it when our Tigers jumped into the conversation for a bit...seeing them potentially climb into the Top 15 in my weekly SI magazine, etc. Those were incredible times and being a fan THEN was assuredly different. We were fans for reasons OTHER THAN just winning. and I agree, there are some in our fan base, and most of them are younger which is not their fault at all, whose reasons for being an LSU fan revolve almost entirely on pulling for a winner because it's literally all they've known.

But which do you rather? Pining away hoping to one day reach that elite status we envied in Notre Dame, or Nebraska, or Oklahoma, or Alabama, etc or being in that group ourselves? Everything in our program changed that night of January 4th 2004. It was no longer a dream...we'd made it. I remember standing there in the terrace in tears thinking about how my Dad had died a year before and missed it...thinking of all those games and times we'd talked about one day getting to that point. Of being in the Dome with him years before getting beaten by Nebraska...again.

And do you remember what Saban said when asked shortly after on the sidelines what he was going to do next? I'm paraphrasing but it was essentially, "Start working to do it again next year."

You may disagree...but for most of us that's literally all we're trying to do. Stay here. Getting here was hard. All those years you described, while great in their own ways, were not comparable to ACTUALLY being part of the elite and you know it. So for many of us, even those of us with time frames longer than many of the kids you seem to be describing, the goal is to remain in contention and there are good reasons to be worrying aloud that the moves we've made over the past year are reversing our course back to those days where you needed to search for silver linings in order to find wonderful things to love about the program. Oh...should the day come that we fall back entirely to the pack and we're forced to do that again, I'll do the same and find my silver linings. I'm an LSU fan...it's how I got started with this.

In the meantime, though, I'm going to fight like hell to stop the slide I think we've hopped onto, regardless of how much you r others attempt to pretend the only people sending up warning flares are either children or malcontents. Like you've I've earned the right to voice my concerns over many slim years of being a fan.

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