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re: Ok here to man up

Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:25 am to
Posted by LSUthrilla
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
2099 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:25 am to
I mean is it Crowton...how is it this year he turns into a totally different animal? Is it not safe to assume it is JJ?
Posted by bendellee
Member since Aug 2006
2428 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Fl would whip you 5 out of 5.

just sayin.


Maybe, but Marshall wouldn't.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 10:25 am
Posted by mt1
LV
Member since Nov 2006
7207 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:25 am to
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He said on the td that he had one on one and put it up to the 6'5" receiver for him to make a play on the ball.




What are you talking about?


Sorry, trying to get it out quickly. Hard to type when you are seeing red.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27750 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:28 am to
We need to go back to a power run formation. I don't care if jj or lee or shep is back there, we have to run the ball. Dan mullen showed how to beat lsu. We should have lost that one. Uga sucks and we had to sneak out a win there. If we can't run the football, I don't give a damn if you have Peyton manning, you won't don't shite.
Posted by LSUthrilla
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
2099 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:28 am to
quote:

Sorry, trying to get it out quickly. Hard to type when you are seeing red.



Its ok i kept thinking but we didnt have a TD!!!
Posted by mkemp0113
Member since Dec 2007
1200 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:28 am to
quote:

The offensive ineptitude is beyond my comprehension and I think Gary Crowton is killing this team and has been all season.


Agree. To look at the talent this team has and see the results are more than disappointing...Coaches are supposed to make adjustments based on results, or lack thereof, and use the weapons that gain advantage against the opponent that they are playing that week. And that is NOT happening. No adjustments made for the better that I could see in any half this year. The only adjustments I know about are that players averaging 5 or 6 yards per carry in the first half don't even get to look at the ball in the second half. Receivers that, even if only by way of a short pass, can gain yards after the catch. Put the damn ball in the hands of the playmakers and then get the hell out of the way!
Posted by ROUSTER
Member since Sep 2003
6887 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:29 am to
Again, this offense is in a tough position.
The OL is mediocre at this point. But, I will say they opened a few holes in the running game on Sat. night.
The pass blocking isn't very good at times. But, is it by design that JJ drops so far back. It makes it easy pickings when the speed DE's blow up field past black and barksdale.
But, my problem with his O for this year is centered on the QB.
I know he's young and inexperienced. We all know this. But, it seems the coaches are simply trying to plug a square peg in a round hole.
The option????? I don't have a problem running it maybe 1 time a game. But, JJ clearly isn't an option QB. Why is this? Because JJ is timid. An option QB can't be timid. I'd love to see RS run the option a few times. He's not the biggest guy, but he runs fearless. Just go back and watch him run the ball. He would be a good option QB.
The version of JJ that we're seeing on the field won't lead this team to an SEC championship. But, he could be used to help this team.

And as others have stated. How do you have 2 6'3" and a 6'5" receiver, yet you never throw a fade or even a deep sideline pass. This offense doesn't seem to use the physical mismatches that we have on the outside.
And you have an All-American type pass catching TE. Yet we don't throw to him because we're scared to throw to the middle of the field and get it picked.
No risk, No reward. This year, we take very little risks with this O. Is that the coach or the QB?
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47819 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:30 am to
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Ok here to man up
It was a CF.
JJ fits somewhere in this offense, just not at the starting QB position.
He looked confused all night. He didnt see the field and thats been my knock on him all year.
Not sure if its the lack of time he has or if he is just picking one guy out and its throw to him or run....
We definately need the O-line to step it up the rest of the year and give the QB (whoever that may be) time to throw.
The defense did all it could to keep LSU in the game.
Time for the coaches to do the same.....
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 10:31 am
Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5846 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:30 am to

You faced a pretty good defense and almost made it past the 50 in the 2nd half. JJ got sacked 5 times trying to pass. What more you want him to do? You can't throw over the top unless someone protects the qb. That didn't happen.

I thought your only shot was to try and establish a rushing threat up the middle. Up the middle with an occasional play action. Forget turning the corner, and delete the option play from the playbook. The fact you ran it more than twice is on the coaches. It looks like it resulted in a net loss for the game.

Other than no option play, what more could the offense have done given your OL and qb situation?

Posted by DanceCommander
Detroit
Member since Sep 2009
546 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:31 am to
We don't exploit the weaknesses of other teams IMO

But we like to display ours.
Posted by mt1
LV
Member since Nov 2006
7207 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:33 am to
How long does it take to stare down 5 receivers in a 5 receiver set?
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47819 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:35 am to
quote:

How long does it take to stare down 5 receivers in a 5 receiver set?
More time than JJ is getting....Just saying...
Posted by LSUBlake8
Pville
Member since Aug 2008
343 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:40 am to
quote:

i did see him beat his man almost every time, but so did some of the other receivers.


There is NO doubt we had guys open.....all night......Moreau was pointing it out during the game as well.

It's just frustrating and I really HOPE some changes are made the next two weeks.....simplify, change...something!!

Or we will continue to struggle....
Posted by ROUSTER
Member since Sep 2003
6887 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:42 am to
quote:

It was a CF.
JJ fits somewhere in this offense, just not at the starting QB position.
He looked confused all night. He didnt see the field and thats been my knock on him all year.
Not sure if its the lack of time he has or if he is just picking one guy out and its throw to him or run....
We definately need the O-line to step it up the rest of the year and give the QB (whoever that may be) time to throw.
The defense did all it could to keep LSU in the game.
Time for the coaches to do the same.....


Couldn't agree more. If the coaches don't make changes, this could be another tough season. One saving grace this year as opposed to last is that we have a good, scrappy D that can keep us in games.
I just really believe that JL needs to get an opportunity to see if he's learned from last year's mistakes. If they simply bury the kid for last year, than they are doing the team a disservice.
At the same time, I also believe JJ has a place in this offense as does RS. It can work, but the coaches have to make it work.
Posted by TigerStuckinOkieland
Oklahoma City, OK
Member since Feb 2007
1330 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:43 am to
Nawlens Gator,

Play-action passes to the TE and sideline fade routes to WR's in 1-on-1 situations are not tough to call, and actually have a high risk/reward versus a drop back or 4-second set position in the box by the QB waiting for a post or curl pattern to develop over the middle of the field.

We only ran the latter all game long and it resulted in sacks. Convert those to incompletions alone, and the game could have had a different complexion. Convert a couple of them into 7-10 yd gains and/or 15 yd. penalties for interference, then FLA has to back off the line of scrimmage - which then opens up the run again for Scott. Hell, Scott was hitting for 5-7 ypc in non-short yardage situations.
Posted by PastySkankster
Houston
Member since Sep 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:45 am to
Agreed Dmitch. The season is a long way from over, but immediate introspection and action are required by the coaches to get it fixed.

Here is what we know after 5 games:
1 - Our OL is not great, but it appears to be showing some signs of improving. They are definitely a 'serviceable' group, although not as good as in recent years.
2 - Our DEF is growing more comfortable with the Chavis system with each passing week, and will likely be a top 20 unit by the end of the season with a little help from the offense.
3 - Our WR, RB and TE talent is as good as any team in the country.
4 - Running the option with JJ will not work.
5 - The no-huddle has hurt our offense far more than it has hurt any opposing defense.
6 - RR and Shep are two of our biggest threats, and have been extremely underutilized to date.

What I would like to see:
1 - Scrap the no huddle IMMEDIATELY unless we are in the 2 minute drill.
2 - Only run the option with Shep and not to the short side of the field.
3 - Have Shep, Scott and KW in the backfield together when the option is run.
4 - Run the ball straight ahead with Scott like we did last year so effectively.
5 - RR should always be the first WR off of the bench unless he is injured.
6 - Commit to getting Shep on the field for 15 to 20 snaps a game. (Even if it means taking all offensive snaps away from Holliday)
6 - Gameplan having Lee get a series per half to see what he can do. Something tells me he would get the ball into our play makers' hands.

If we do these things, I will be happy with the coaches (regardless of the results). At least we would be reacting to what is not working and attempting to play to our strengths. Fortunately, there are 2 wks to get it figured out. Auburn's defense is vulnerable as Arkansas illustrated on Saturday. Hopefully, the coaches give our team the opportunity to exploit it. Sticking with the status quo could result in losing this team.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47819 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:48 am to
quote:

I just really believe that JL needs to get an opportunity to see if he's learned from last year's mistakes. If they simply bury the kid for last year, than they are doing the team a disservice.
:kige:
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14931 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:51 am to
Well first off, you know your "vaunted" defensive secondary? They're tiny. Just throw a 3-step drop fade right a few times a game. I guarantee you that 5'10 jenkins or 5'10 haden cannot breakout a a jump ball to Tolliver. Tolliver has a 40-inch vertical and 7 inches in size. At the worst we could have at least gotten some pass interference calls.

And we did run up the middle successfully. Scott has 55 yards rushing on 13 carries. We didn't establish the run enough. Not to mention Shepard didn't even play. We kept running 5 and 7-step drops when obviously they weren't running. I would have rathered slant routes. I mean the play on the interception, the corner was 3 yards off of Tolliver, it's not like he wasn't open.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
18936 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:53 am to
quote:

i did see him beat his man almost every time, but so did some of the other receivers.


I think it was that third down at the very end of the game (right before the 4th that we had to go for). Your brother smoked his guy. He had at least 5 yards on him, maybe more, but JJ took the sack. We were all screaming about how wide open he was. I don't understand how JJ didn't see him.
Posted by mt1
LV
Member since Nov 2006
7207 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:55 am to
Next time JJ drops back to pass, let the jeopardy theme song run in your head.
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