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Offensive Thoughts After Rewatching Auburn

Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:48 am
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:48 am
I went back and rewatched the Auburn game this morning, focusing on the offense, and jotted down my thoughts:

I'll start off with just some prevailing thoughts here. First being, this was just a bad game all around. The conditions were poor, first time on the road, Auburn threw some looks at us that we weren't ready for (more on that in a bit). My hope is, and I don't think this offense will ever be GREAT, but my hope is this was just an off night where they were particularly bad.

I feel better about Denbrock now than I did at the time. I think the passing concepts can use a bit of work, but I also feel they're still working with an expanding playbook. Knowing how multiple Denbrock was at Cincinatti, we aren't there yet. My justification for that opinion: We are working in a bit more every week. A bit more jet motion, a bit more read option. You're seeing them add a bit more each week. Denbrock is still learning his players and vice versa.

We need Dellinger back. The interior of the OL was objectively bad in pass protection. The two Freshman OT's were beat on a few occasions, but I would say largely they were solid, but the interior did nobody any favors.

The WR's, were objectively bad. From the drops, to the route running. They created little separation all night and I think the QB's legitimately had a difficult time placing the ball to open WR's. I'm not hitting the panic button yet, but the Georgia fan base didn't seem all that enamored with Cortez Hankton.

Auburn, while they brought pressure at times, largely sat back in coverage and dropped, 8-9 guys. They really took away passing lanes. I feel that's why you saw so much action from Mason Taylor. I didn't have much of an opinion either way on it prior, but I do think there's a little bit to much on Taylor's shoulders right now and I would like to see Bech lined up there a bit more. I don't need him blocking or anything like that, but you're wasting away a mismatch at times.

So back to the confusing Daniels thing, Kelly referenced it in post game and I think what he was referring to was the way Auburn dropped their best pass rusher, Derick Hall #29, into the secondary a good bit, specifically on 3rd downs. He would line up in a 3 safety look and then immediately crash down, as a spy on Daniels. But this also gave Daniels some looks he wasn't prepared for.

Now a bit on Daniels. First thing, those who say he doesn't go through his progressions and he makes one read and runs, that's crap. He actually does a fair job going through his progressions. BUT, he's extremely hesitant to fit the ball into windows. I have to think Kelly and Denbrock have hammered into his head protect the football, but he could stand to be a little more aggressive. I think his biggest issue though, he's very slow/very inconsistent with his anticipation. The ball doesn't come out quick enough, not in the sense that he's holding onto the ball trying to find someone open, but that instead of putting the ball on a spot and getting the ball out when he needs to, he waits for a guy to actually become open. On an out route for example, instead of throwing when the guy is breaking, he waits until he is out of his break. I also think this rears it's ugly head on first and second downs. Players that aren't really open (as the play can be completed, but maybe not have yac), but I'm ok with a first down completion for 4-5 yards, and maybe with these receivers they make someone miss and pick up additional yardage.

So all in all, like I said to start, my hope is was just an off night for an already "so so" offense. Personally I think issues were kind of expanded on and this will largely be an outlier. The offense was not on the same page. It wasn't all on Daniels, it wasn't all on Denbrock, it wasn't all on the receivers. I'm also now, even more so, of the opinion that a QB change wouldn't do anything for this offense. If anything, I came away with a higher appreciation for Daniels ability to run.
Posted by subidc
CharlestonSC
Member since Nov 2019
2880 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:28 am to
The problem we have is we know our line is young and not having Dellinger hurt. LSU pass concepts knowing that should have been quicker short slants, the option, quick wide receiver screens, roll outs, and designed runs. Three step drops etc.. the problem we are going to have is JDs health. He is not making a full SEC season. He has been hurt the last two games. JD did the same thing at Arizona State. He is not going to suddenly change. Fit the offense to his strengths. Do not try to fit him into an offense he cant run.
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
9355 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:35 am to
A fourth year senior shouldn't have to be taught to throw receivers open. That's basic stuff. If he hasn't learned that by now, he simply will never learn it. So don't expect it to change between now and the end of the season.

It's going to be checked downs and three yard runs from here on out. Book it.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 11:36 am
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:39 am to
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The conditions were poo


Huh?

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Auburn threw some looks at us that we weren't ready for

That shouldn't ever be the case. Piss poor coaching

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But this also gave Daniels some looks he wasn't prepared for.


Piss poor coaching

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The offense was not on the same page. I

Piss poor coaching


Seeing a trend?
Posted by DCTXLA
Member since Jul 2022
3459 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:44 am to
Denbrock was a poor hire. It’s plain and simple.
Posted by stephendomalley
alexandria
Member since Dec 2005
5914 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:46 am to
i disagree that the coaching is poor. Daniels is just not an adequate passer, and i don't think he can be coached during the middle of the season at this time.

as the line gets better, and it is, despite the setback with dellegner being out, we've got to start transitioning to nuss. 1/3 of the game, 1/2 of the game, maybe that way all season. IDK. our offense is very likely to look worse and worse as teams gameplan for daniels.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14862 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Huh?


The field was in poor condition. Players on both sides had trouble keeping their footing. It wasn't something I noticed initially during the game, but on the rewatch it's noticeable. The play that looked like Daniels threw it behind Nabers for example, I remember bitching during the game that Nabers has to stop in the zone, on rewatch he tried, but his feet came out from under him. It wasn't a poor throw from Daniels and it wasn't a poor read from Nabers, his body stopped and his feet didn't. Happened several times.

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That shouldn't ever be the case. Piss poor coaching


It was an incredibly unusual look. I had never seen anything like that before. Kelly admitted much of the same. I don't know how you can expect them to prepare for something that Auburn has never done.

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Piss poor coaching


Don't really agree with this either. Remember Burrow in 2018? It took the vast majority of the season for him and his receivers to get on the same page. You see it often in this transfer age of football. It's even worse now because not only are they all trying to learn each others tendencies, but they're trying to learn an entirely new offense at the same time.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 11:53 am
Posted by Returnofzeus
Member since Feb 2022
373 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:58 am to
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That shouldn't ever be the case. Piss poor coaching


Find me a college or pro coach anywhere who hasnt faced a look (at one time or another) that he wasnt ready for. Seriously the expectations from some of you morons are absurd
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
1567 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:03 pm to
If Daniels can’t cut it loose before the receiver is out of his break then they need to try someone else. Especially if he is dinged up and can’t run full speed. The receivers didn’t help him or Nuss Saturday but receivers aren’t going to be wide open often in SEC play either. Maybe the light comes on this week but you can’t 3 and out against UT multiple times in the 1st Q and expect to be in the game. He better have a short leash.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12222 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:03 pm to
Thanks for taking the time to do this.
I haven't seen the film, but your analysis makes sense based on what i saw live.
The receivers have to help the QB more. WAAAY too many drops.
What Auburn did makes sense: Our running game is not the best and our most dangerous weapons are out WR's. Auburn dropped 8 and took away most of that risk, betting JD was not accurate enough to beat them. They were right. .
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 12:08 pm
Posted by Smokin Joe Dumas
In your head
Member since Apr 2022
595 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

Daniels threw it behind Nabers


quote:

It wasn't a poor throw from Daniels


Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9577 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:31 pm to
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BUT, he's extremely hesitant to fit the ball into windows. I have to think Kelly and Denbrock have hammered into his head protect the football, but he could stand to be a little more aggressive. I think his biggest issue though, he's very slow/very inconsistent with his anticipation. The ball doesn't come out quick enough, not in the sense that he's holding onto the ball trying to find someone open, but that instead of putting the ball on a spot and getting the ball out when he needs to, he waits for a guy to actually become open. On an out route for example, instead of throwing when the guy is breaking, he waits until he is out of his break. I also think this rears it's ugly head on first and second downs. Players that aren't really open (as the play can be completed, but maybe not have yac), but I'm ok with a first down completion for 4-5 yards, and maybe with these receivers they make someone miss and pick up additional yardage.


this is spot on 100% accurate and you can tell watching the games live. I think this is where the WR's are getting frustrated.

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I have to think Kelly and Denbrock have hammered into his head protect the football


this where you just need to be a football player and say lets geaux... ill take the bad with the good... gotta take risk...
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted by Chadwick
Member since Aug 2011
5081 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:36 pm to
As usual, your posts and opinions are nothing but garbage.
Posted by caliegeaux
Member since Aug 2004
10124 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:37 pm to
i'll admit, i rarely watch games and "look for matchups", or "what set they are in vs what we are running" anymore.....too old and tired so i watch the damn ball and play.

with that said, i noticed several times that daniels stood in there looking over the field in all directions, and then the pocket collapsing.....almost like he was intentionally not trying to tuck it and run, but get through all the progressions, and it was too long for the line.

also i noticed, and i was quite lit up by then, but the 2nd half, maybe our scoring drive, but it seems like we went to a lot of RPO\designed QB run plays to our strength vs running a drop back passing attack, and it worked.

i think the staff is doing what they can with what they have. can they clean things up, put bech in better situations etc etc....of course.

also, going down early on their first drive was the last thing i wanted to see. them confident and the crowd loud. and they did just that.

critique all we want.......this team got down 17-0 at auburn and won. ugly, yes. but won.

now go fix some shite and play sound football on both sides saturday morning.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted by BigPoppy
Member since Sep 2022
674 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:38 pm to
Loved the tenacity in this game. And honestly, I am impressed with the Auburn QB. I think he's going to be a good one once they get him coached up some more.

I loved how LSU ignored the scoreboard and just gave it 100% on each play.

On another note though, I'd be ok if I never watched another game with Tessitore announcing.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 1:50 pm
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:38 pm to
With 80 yards of passing, what does it mean to you that Daniels goes through his progressions? He evidently doesn't know the progressions mean or he cannot anticipate his receivers. Either way it is a huge fail. I have no faith that he can improve to the point that it makes defenses pay attention to his arm. Nuss needs some reps. Maybe he cannot do it either, but no way JD starts next year playing like this. Maybe it's time to move on from someone who is in his fourth year as a starting QB. No apologies, he cannot do it.

Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35364 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

Denbrock was a poor hire. It’s plain and simple.
Denbrock is running Kelly's offense the way Kelly wants it run.
Posted by BleedPnG
LA
Member since Sep 2015
936 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:46 pm to
R u really this stupid or a troll?

Real question, if your not a troll maybe you should take up lacrosse or bowling as you know 0 about college football
Posted by Juan Betanzos
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2005
2371 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:51 pm to
I would still like to see plays called that fit JD's main skill set....his legs.

More roll-out pass plays to TE (Bech; Taylor had the "yips" this game)
More option
Possibly naked bootleg here and there
Fill it in with slants & skinny posts

Sideline out routes and deeper passing options -- JD's not good with -- as fore mentioned.

Posted by rar
Member since Dec 2020
310 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:57 pm to
Quit insulting morons.
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