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re: Offensive line attrition under former OL Les Miles

Posted on 7/6/09 at 12:30 pm to
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

Cash


I didn't realize you already called out the truth in this thread when I made my above post.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 12:32 pm to
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and he looks like Donkey lips



Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 12:42 pm to
You might want to do a little more homework, we have been losing Ol for years. Check back. As far as the moving from DL to OL, thats a sign of a good OL coach. If you want more, let me know, I can give it.

Let me tell you, Les and Studs are doing a great job with the OL, check around....
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 1:09 pm to
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Offensive line attrition under former OL Les Miles
TigerTap, football fans are much less patient in the '00s, than in the 60's-70's. If less has caught hell for 10-2 seasons, do you really think if Charlie Mac were coaching at LSU today with his old results he would have lasted 18 seasons.




Only because fans are far less knowledgeable, patient and mature than they were back then. The intant gratification crowd is loud and ever present. Much to the detriment of college football in general.


Charlie Mac's problem in part stemmed from the fact that from 1974 through 1979 he won only 4 games against teams with a winning record (specifically: Tennessee at 7-3-2 in 1974, South Carolina at 7-5 in 1975, Tulane at 9-3 in 1977, and Wake Forest at 8-4 in 1979). His overall record from 1974-1979 of 43 wins, 25 losses and 2 ties over that time isn't terrible, but you look at the number of "quality wins," they just aren't there. In other words of the 43 wins, 39 of them came against teams with losing records.

That is why the administration and fans lost confidence in Charlie Mac. He beat poor teams, but rarely beat good teams during those last 6 seasons. If one of the goals is to compete for championships, conference and national, you have to be able to beat good competition. Charlie Mac simply didn't do that for his last 6 seasons. That is the bottom line of why Charlie Mac was let go when he was.

While Charlie Mac was in a different era (fewer games, etc.), so a comparison to Miles is not entirely fair, Miles has won 20 games in 4 seasons against teams with a winning record.
This post was edited on 7/6/09 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 1:20 pm to
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LSUDad


I've had and read many discussions by LSUDad and he knows his OLine.
Posted by ultratiger89
Houston, Tx
Member since Aug 2007
3993 posts
Posted on 7/6/09 at 1:22 pm to
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try again


sorry, missed

Clay Spencer and T-Bob Hebert, so 19 in all. But you could have looked that up yourself and provided the additional information.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 1:24 pm to
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sorry, missed

Clay Spencer and T-Bob Hebert, so 19 in all. But you could have looked that up yourself and provided the additional information


How about our starting TE?
Posted by ultratiger89
Houston, Tx
Member since Aug 2007
3993 posts
Posted on 7/6/09 at 1:55 pm to
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How about our starting TE?


meh, looks like I missed bout 5 TE's. anyway, doesn't look like we have a shortage of OL players to me.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 2:05 pm to
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Met some fellow LSU Alums from Houston on a July 4th scuba diving trip out of Destin


quote:

There' a great OL prospect over in the Woodlands,TX who parents were LSU alumni and sister is a current LSU student


so how is Mr. Lindsey doing?
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 2:06 pm to
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looks like I missed bout 5 TE's


Yeah, I wasn't going to go into that.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33362 posts
Posted on 7/6/09 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

TigerBandAlumnus82
quote:

I don't like to come in and flame on people trying to make legitimate points, but your post is so objectively wrong, I must point it out.
Most of his posts are just that, objectively wrong. He's the proverbial wet blanket. Most of those guys who didn't pan out for one reason or another were due to personal problems, how is this Les Mile's fault?
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 7/6/09 at 2:40 pm to
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Les Miles has had way too much attrition for a head coach that is a former offensive lineman himself.


This is absolutely correct. If he held onto his linemen more, he would probably have at least one SEC title and national title.





Still waiting for an explanation on this xiv.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 7/6/09 at 3:31 pm to
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I'd take Porter recruiting a kid over about any coach in the nation.


National recruiter of the year(twice). Yeah I think I'll take my chances with Coach Porter.
Posted by TigerBandAlumnus82
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Member since Jul 2007
3104 posts
Posted on 7/7/09 at 2:46 am to
Thanks to everybody for all the wonderful comments. Wish I had more time to spend on here going back and forth, but I'm too busy with a career/life/wife to spend all day and night sitting at a computer discussing LSU athletics. I can only pop in and out briefly during the day and in the early morning hours for a short time. ...........
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 7/7/09 at 3:05 am to
you're just the man
Posted by King Joey
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Posted on 7/7/09 at 3:07 am to
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The intant gratification crowd is loud and ever present. Much to the detriment of the world in general.
Even though the whole "fixed" schtick annoys the crap out of me, this one absolutely begged for it.

Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 7/7/09 at 8:43 am to
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Wish I had more time to spend on here


Then you might learn something.

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Maybe if he raises the bar, he wont have to convert so many defensive linemen. (Hitt, Barksdale, Blackwell).......


Truth be known, Blackwells high school coach said that his position should have been on the OL from the start. He wanted to switch him from his high school days. This is also the same coach that switched Whitworth from TE to OT. The Barksdale move was one that I saw from the first tape I saw on the kid. A good coach can take a kid, make these kinds of moves and make them work. At one time Va. Tech. had more OL that were former TE's. Think of the moves in Eric Martin and Josh Reed from RB to WR.

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but I'm too busy with a career/life/wife to spend all day and night sitting at a computer discussing LSU athletics.




Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21187 posts
Posted on 7/7/09 at 9:54 pm to
So how many JC OL do we have? I don't thihk its that many.

Claude Wroten was a JC player and no one seem to give Saban grief over signing a JC player on DL.

As for converting DL to OL, no big deal. That's fairly common. In fact, I'd consider that a luxury that we are able to do that. Eric Andolsek was a converted DL and he was among the best OL to ever wear the P&G.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33362 posts
Posted on 7/8/09 at 10:38 am to
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Thanks to everybody for all the wonderful comments. Wish I had more time to spend on here going back and forth, but I'm too busy with a career/life/wife to spend all day and night sitting at a computer discussing LSU athletics. I can only pop in and out briefly during the day and in the early morning hours for a short time.
The veracity of your posts reflect just that.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 6:32 pm to
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The veracity of your posts reflect just that.





Sometimes people make it too easy.....

This post was edited on 7/8/09 at 6:58 pm
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