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Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:19 pm to AlwysATgr
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What exactly is there that needs to be apologized for again?
How is this germane?
You referred to people as "O-apoligists." So, I ask again, what is there to be apologized for?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:20 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:I was pretty heavily anti-O.quote:
Curious as to what sparked you to write this right now?
IMO, the O-apologists dismiss and downplay the comparisons. And for the most part, they are not favorable comparisons at this juncture.
I'm now at the point of "okay, this wasn't a disaster, let's see what happens next". Troy loss was horrible and defining... but perhaps defined that the team was complacent, and needed a shock to wake up.
Since that game, O has run the program at standard, expected "LSU" levels. Defensively competitive games against Alabama with no offense- check. Wins against other teams that would presume to surpass us- check. Occasional losses to good teams that anger the faithful- check. Ranked- check.
We have Burrow another year, and then we'll see if we finally get another decent QB. If we can have a couple in a row, I think LSU (and thus, O) will be fine.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:23 pm to dgnx6
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That's what I'm trying to point out. That season was considered a failure, why has it swung so much the other way?
Do you consider getting blown out by Arkansas and Ole Miss the same as 1 possession losses to Florida and A&M?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:24 pm to TigerLunatik
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You referred to people as "O-apoligists." So, I ask again, what is there to be apologized for?
I mean, I’m not running around starting threads about any of this, but since you asked, twice:
Offensive production not much better than his predecessor, failure to land top targets on the DL, his specialty, any better than his predecessor did, inability to contribute much at all during games while other coaches are actively assisting in adjusting game plans, 0-6 against the best coaches we’ll face on our schedule every year, all while getting progressively worse against Alabama each year
10-3, good year with a QB trained under Urban Meyer.
How this all looks once he’s gone in 2020 is still very much unclear, and pretending that going 9-3 with a bowl win over an overhyped Group of 5 team with one of the worst defenses in the country proves otherwise is simply willful ignorance.
Oh, and the “apologists” will be along shortly to call me a “hater” and “not a true fan” without offering any substantive rebuttal to those completely valid concerns.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:27 pm to dgnx6
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And his first season wasn't a success. So that's why people are still not sold.
His first season wasn't a failure either.....as much as you want to categorize it as such. It was a middle of the road season with a coach going thru his first full year.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:29 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I don't think you're a "hater" at all. Those are pretty good points.
I think I would disagree here only because I don't see how anyone could know this for sure. I would also add that even if he isn't that it's not a big deal IF the adjustments are being made by the guys he hired. But, that's just an opinion.
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inability to contribute much at all during games while other coaches are actively assisting in adjusting game plans
I think I would disagree here only because I don't see how anyone could know this for sure. I would also add that even if he isn't that it's not a big deal IF the adjustments are being made by the guys he hired. But, that's just an opinion.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:50 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:I don't think O (or any other head coach) is supposed to make game-day technical adjustments. His job is to manage the game. It's on the assistants to have a Plan B ready, if needed and he calls for it.quote:
inability to contribute much at all during games while other coaches are actively assisting in adjusting game plans
I think I would disagree here only because I don't see how anyone could know this for sure. I would also add that even if he isn't that it's not a big deal IF the adjustments are being made by the guys he hired. But, that's just an opinion.
In other words, O says "we need to shut down the run", or "we need to eat some clock" or "open it up and get something fast" etc. That then goes to the guys whose responsibility it is to have that ready. Your head coach isn't going to say "we need to have the TE come crack back on the MLB and run the back off the RG now" or shite like that. Some might can do that, but you're probably in trouble if he micromanages like that.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:56 pm to Scoob
That's pretty much my opinion as well. I'm sure coaches that have specific specialties may interject opinions at certain points in the game here and there, but I've never coached football so it's pretty much conjecture on my end.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:04 pm to bencoleman
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The lunatic fringe will be out to get you now that you've become an O sycophant and apologist.
He may have filled the pot, but you’re the one who stirred it with this post. I’d say a good 75% of the “lunatic fringe” only shows themselves in response to crap like this. Some of you should just admit that you love the crazy.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:09 pm to TigerLunatik
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You referred to people as "O-apoligists." So, I ask again, what is there to be apologized for?
Apologist doesn't mean necessarily someone who literally apologizes for something. I believe in this context it means someone who tries to make O's first two years out to be some unbelievable and rousing success. There a number of positives to point to and next year could be the year. But all in all, O hasn't really proved a whole hell of a lot other than his ability to keep the program afloat, win a couple of big games every year, and lose a couple of head scratchers every year. But again, even the most pessimistic of pessimists would have to feel pretty damn good about our prospects for next year. O can make a believer out of everyone with an SECW title or playoff appearance next year.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:12 pm to AlwysATgr
BREAKING NEWS!
The current LSU coach will be judged against previous LSU coaches and those he is currently coaching against.
Coach O is not the only coach that this fits. It literally fits every single coach that has ever coached at LSU.
You can actually change LSU out for different school in that statement and it will still be true.
In short...no shite sherlock. Every coach is graded based on his predecessors and current competition.
The current LSU coach will be judged against previous LSU coaches and those he is currently coaching against.
Coach O is not the only coach that this fits. It literally fits every single coach that has ever coached at LSU.
You can actually change LSU out for different school in that statement and it will still be true.
In short...no shite sherlock. Every coach is graded based on his predecessors and current competition.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:15 pm to lsu2006
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even the most pessimistic of pessimists would have to feel pretty damn good about our prospects for next year. O can make a believer out of everyone with an SECW title or playoff appearance next year.
This is exactly where I'm at and couldn't have said it any better.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:21 pm to AlwysATgr
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A) Les - that's who he succeeded and who was fired for (you can fill in the blank but in a word) underachievement. It was expected of him to win more than 8-9 games/yr.
You forgot to add that O helped grease the wheels on the fire Les train.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:34 pm to lsu2006
quote:I'd venture to say that 90%+ of the "anti-O" crowd was terrified about this. It SEEMS those fears were unfounded, as of now
But all in all, O hasn't really proved a whole hell of a lot other than his ability to keep the program afloat,
quote:well, yeah
win a couple of big games every year
, that's the plan quote:Honestly, I don't see one this year.
and lose a couple of head scratchers every year
Going into the season, I was hopeful of maybe 8-4, and saw losses to Bama (duh), was very worried about both A&M and Florida, and figured we'd lose at least one of Auburn, UGA and Miami.
Right now, I'm thinking of next year, and expect we lose to Bama, worried about Texas, with Auburn being a concern at home. Hopeful of 11-1.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:42 pm to AlwysATgr
I disagree. Orgeron tenure seems to be at least equal to all but Saban. LSU was absolutely screwed against aTm before anyone disputes this.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:46 pm to AlwysATgr
Astute observation.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:46 pm to AlwysATgr
Thread fricking sucks
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:53 pm to AlwysATgr
Comparing him to Les is understandable. Comparing him to Saban is unfair.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 3:27 pm to AlwysATgr
We haven’t taken a step back as a program since O. We also haven’t really moved forward either. I will say though this past season, and everything around the program, we are heading in the right direction. If next season is what we think it is can be, then I will start to fully believe we are headed in the right direction for the long haul.
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