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re: O Will Always be Compared to Les, Saban, and Jimbo/Herman
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Trevrollings would go on a murder spree
Fact
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Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's the one position he's missed on. He's gonna have to address it in 2020
I think that he's got a few good prospects. Wire, Rosenthal. He signed Parker. how he got eligible is beyond me but I'm just glad he made it. Bradford too. LSU is building it's depth. It's a process.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:26 pm to bencoleman
I like Trev. He doesn't hold back and says what he feels. But, is definitely one of the negative posters towards Coach O.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 10:11 pm to Mayhawman
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Not just tackles, O needs elite LTs, and stupid meany Miles didn't leave a couple or three. ?
Right?
He only inherited an oline with more nfl drafted olinemen than Clemson has had since 2008 and 3 all sec olinemen.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 10:49 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Coach "O wasn’t hired “instead of” Herman or Fisher. Those two turned us down. They weren’t coming here."
This is an oft repeated falsehood to justify the failure of the AD to make a promised legitimate hire of a sitting HC with a proven Offensive track record to correct the failure of Miles/Cameron's lack of Offensive development, specifically they were more and more non-competitive with ALA and therefore not "Competing for Championships" every year. The actual facts are so easily found on TD, the Press, and in some 1500 FOIA documents.
TrevRollings:
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I dont think this is entirely true. Jimbo wanted to be here and even said as much before ending the conversation. Tom Herman, allegedly could have been had for what we offered Jimbo. Joe pursued them on paper, but he did so knowing that he could fall back on Orgeron if he made it seem like he went after them.
Rickdaddy4188:
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You're not remembering the Herman alleva issue correctly. Herman in no way turned lsu down. In fact it looked like lsu had a soft agreement with Herman until he told alleva he wanted to see Texas' offer. Alleva then pulled the offer and hired O. There was no search. Alleva offered the 2 most obvious coaches, got his panties in a wad, and offered O.
Fisher applied for the job 3 times (04,15,16). He was not interviewed in 04 and after reaching mutual agreement was never given a final offer in 15, and he withdrew in 16 after Alleva balked. If he had been hired as even an interim in 04 there would have been continuity of that Staff and the momentum on Offense. Saban's rehire would have been an unknown contingency option.
in 2015 there was mutual agreement on all the terms and LSU was proceeding to finalize the offer/hire. The LSU Players were told before the A&M Game that Fisher was going to be the New HC. That is when Stanley Jacobs and Jindal intervened and FKing said despite the entire cost of the Coaching Hire being funded by Boosters that the 'optics' of the $30million transition & buyout would be just too difficult to explain politically in light of the 'financial exigency' Jindal had put the University in with budget cuts. Miles had been told as early as Monday that A&M was his last game. That was a failure by Alleva who capitulated to political pressure, lacking the will or political capital to risk executing the optimum hire he negotiated.
By the end of 2016 Scott Woodward had been at A&M for a year and in close contact with Fisher about the future. Having been jilted in 2015 at the last second he again threw his hat in the ring at a higher price and longer term. Alleva did not entertain the now ~7 million x 7 yr Sexton negotiating price. Then Alleva turned to Herman and insulted him by saying he was LSU's #1 choice and offered him 5 million "take it or leave it" no warm vetting process or customary courtship to assure or sell Herman on the opportunities unique to LSU. The problem aside from Alleva's cold pitch was that his agent Trace Armstrong and Sexton both work at CAA and Herman knew the Fisher asking price. Armstrong countered that Herman could be hired definitively for 6 million. Alleva withdrew the offer. He did not hire a sitting HC for one of the top positions in the nation. He did the unprecedented, promoting Miles' DL & TE Coach in the middle of the night. People who saw the contract said he 'whited out' the Fisher offer, slashed it in half and voila the first major head Coach to be hired off the DL by a long-running back channel Ponamsky/Alleva PR campaign sealed with a couple of 'binders that blew away 'I Am The Search'.
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 2/11/19 at 12:20 am to Quid Pro Quo
One of the main contingencies for the O experiment was that he would take less money and hire the very best OC in the FBS to develop the Offense and that O, a Miles hire for his touted knowledge of LA Recruiting, would focus on reeling in the right recruits to "rebuild the holes left in the Roster by Miles" myth. Neither of which were done and the whole idea of a rebuild is going into the 4th yr with his buddy as the OC with just as many Roster holes in the Trenches.
If you try and make the stretch comparison of O to Dabo you are willfully ignorant of Dabo's consistent long history of Offensive development at ALA and Clemson and his meticulous notebook of everyday he was in football all preparing for if and when he ever got his chance: No Ordinary Interim: How Dabo turned a 7 Week Job Into a Dynasty He also made the immediate Coaching fires and hires to change the Offense and Defense and he and his Coaches have all turned down jobs making more money to stay at Clemson.
Meanwhile 247 has bumped Texas recruits to UT outrageously because Herman has forwarded elaborate tapes for their review. Tex would be ranked several spots lower without that bias. But then look at all the recruits without relentless hype tapes, Etienne for example, or Kentucky 2 Star Josh Allen a 1st round Top 10.
Earlier in this thread it was said "It is about time to let that issue go". No. That is the pivotal reason Miles was fired. To replace him with better not the SOS by promoting from within his Staff.
"O will Always be Compared to Les, Saban, Jimbo/Herman...Malzahn, Smart, Mullen and all the Coaches in the SEC who are committed to recruiting the right players to win Championships, from within State and Nationally. Everyone wants to build a national brand. Fisher recruited 5 LBs from 5 states outside TX. They must be the right fit for the program's needs and each must pass evaluation of the Coaching Staff not a Recruiting Agency 247 Star Search Qualification. As Dabo says the Recruiting Rankings are backwards and should be assigned upon graduation. He said he just graduated the highest Class in history. You recruit potential and you Coach and develop talent. How do you sort through the hype to find the potential? "That is why they call us Coach."
All of the Coaches I listened to make their Recruiting Class Summaries all said the same thing: They would not recruit a single player who did not best fill a specific roster need to help them win a Conference Championship.
If you try and make the stretch comparison of O to Dabo you are willfully ignorant of Dabo's consistent long history of Offensive development at ALA and Clemson and his meticulous notebook of everyday he was in football all preparing for if and when he ever got his chance: No Ordinary Interim: How Dabo turned a 7 Week Job Into a Dynasty He also made the immediate Coaching fires and hires to change the Offense and Defense and he and his Coaches have all turned down jobs making more money to stay at Clemson.
Meanwhile 247 has bumped Texas recruits to UT outrageously because Herman has forwarded elaborate tapes for their review. Tex would be ranked several spots lower without that bias. But then look at all the recruits without relentless hype tapes, Etienne for example, or Kentucky 2 Star Josh Allen a 1st round Top 10.
Earlier in this thread it was said "It is about time to let that issue go". No. That is the pivotal reason Miles was fired. To replace him with better not the SOS by promoting from within his Staff.
"O will Always be Compared to Les, Saban, Jimbo/Herman...Malzahn, Smart, Mullen and all the Coaches in the SEC who are committed to recruiting the right players to win Championships, from within State and Nationally. Everyone wants to build a national brand. Fisher recruited 5 LBs from 5 states outside TX. They must be the right fit for the program's needs and each must pass evaluation of the Coaching Staff not a Recruiting Agency 247 Star Search Qualification. As Dabo says the Recruiting Rankings are backwards and should be assigned upon graduation. He said he just graduated the highest Class in history. You recruit potential and you Coach and develop talent. How do you sort through the hype to find the potential? "That is why they call us Coach."
All of the Coaches I listened to make their Recruiting Class Summaries all said the same thing: They would not recruit a single player who did not best fill a specific roster need to help them win a Conference Championship.
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 1:07 am
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:35 am to Quid Pro Quo
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Miles hire for his touted knowledge of LA Recruiting, would focus on reeling in the right recruits to "rebuild the holes left in the Roster by Miles" myth. Neither of which were done and the whole idea of a rebuild is going into the 4th yr with his buddy as the OC with just as many Roster holes in the Trenches
This isn't true. Last year wasn't a great class and whether people want to admit it it or not O had an uphill battle convincing some people that he was going to be around. This season he had no such problem. He brought in a great class that has several players that will see the field immediately. To say that coach O hasn't addressed needs through recruiting, transfers and juco is nothing more than lying through your teeth.
If a poster doesn't like the man for whatever reason, the reasons given here are generally petty as hell, that's one thing but to get up here and intentionally lie about what the man is doing is uncalled for and I'm going to say something everytime I see it.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, Les has something wrong with him. He's ill or something. Great recruiter but he's better fitted where he is.
We shall see. He did just get hired by yet another program that never would have considered O.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
LSU getting smaller and smaller in the SEC rear view mirror
Most of these signees will end up RT or G, but normally very good ones.
Most of these signees will end up RT or G, but normally very good ones.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:17 am to TrevRollings29
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e. He did just get hired by yet another program that never would have considered O.
This means something to the above poster.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He was absolutely terrible in the Ole Miss game.
If you say so Roger. But I don't blame Harris for being ill-prepared. Hell I don't even blame Miles or Cameron for Harris not getting better as time went by.
I blame the S&C coach. Right Roger?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:06 pm to p&g
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10 wins
Good season.
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Fiesta bowl win
Good bowl win. But any bowl game win is good.
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Beatdown of uga at home
Great win. Best of the year.
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Fg to beat auburn on road
Exciting game. Thank God for Cole Tracy
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Miss state champs
Bragging about beating two teams that went 13-12 overall and 5-11 in conference? Whatever floats your boat man. 
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best pig again
2-10 and 0-8 Arkansas. Program defining win, right? Too close for comfort though.
You're easy to impress. Congrats.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 9:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Too early to predict, we haven’t had the summer attrition and arrests yet.
But to me, if we aren’t competing for the west, and I mean realistically competing, we are moving backwards.
Losing a rsfr DL to the portal already doesn’t give me the warm fuzzies but it’s early.
I honestly didn’t expect 10 wins this year, but I didn’t foresee joe burrow arriving either, I also didn’t expect to lose to bama 29-0 at home.....
But to me, if we aren’t competing for the west, and I mean realistically competing, we are moving backwards.
Losing a rsfr DL to the portal already doesn’t give me the warm fuzzies but it’s early.
I honestly didn’t expect 10 wins this year, but I didn’t foresee joe burrow arriving either, I also didn’t expect to lose to bama 29-0 at home.....
Posted on 2/11/19 at 10:12 pm to ecb
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But to me, if we aren’t competing for the west
I expect that to happen this season
Posted on 2/13/19 at 3:50 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Its amazing how the last regime didnt need nfl level tackles to have a good line but now we do.
that's because they didn't use any spread concepts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 3:55 pm to iamandykeim
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that's because they didn't use any spread concepts
Crowton and Stud both did.
Cameron's offensive philosophy was to stretch the field vertically with playcalling, which would have theoretically required more time to develop than a spread offense, which stretches the field horizontally and utilizes quick passes.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 3:58 pm to TrevRollings29
This thread needs to end.......
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:00 pm to iamandykeim
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Its amazing how the last regime didnt need nfl level tackles to have a good line but now we do.
that's because they didn't use any spread concepts
I would then pose this question if that is the case. Shouldn't the coordinator run plays that best fit his personnel?
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:01 pm to iamandykeim
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Its amazing how the last regime didnt need nfl level tackles to have a good line but now we do. that's because they didn't use any spread concepts
Pretty sure spread concepts were thought up by people without pro talent
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:35 pm to Quid Pro Quo
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Recruiting, would focus on reeling in the right recruits to "rebuild the holes left in the Roster by Miles" myth. Neither of which were done and the whole idea of a rebuild is going into the 4th yr with his buddy as the OC with just as many Roster holes in the Trenches
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